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Boris Olesiyuk
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject:
Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Dear Sir/Madam!
I would like to introduce Belasoft International FV, software
development company from Minsk, Belarus. Now I would like to propose
you our service in offshore outsourcing of software development.
Here is brief description of our company:
Belasoft Int. works in field of software design and development since
May 2000. We have 7 employees. Our high-educated professional staff is
experienced in development of small to medium scale solutions. We have
strong knowledge of following development technologies and products:
- Autodesk (AutoCAD 2000/2002/2004/2005, OnSite Desktop, OnSite View
and ObjectARX),
- Microsoft (Visual C++, Visual Basic, COM, ActiveX, ASP/IIS,
OLEDB/ADO, SQL Server, Access, .NET, C#),
- Java (J2EE, J2ME, JSP/Servlets, EJB, JDBC, Jini/Jiro, JavaMail,
JCE, JNDI, JMS, SOAP, WebServices, Hibernate).
We are experienced in database development supporting different
database engines (MS SQL Server, MS Access, Oracle DB, MySQL),
developing complex web-based interfaces and components, development
for mobile devices (WinCE, Symbian), works a lot in field of
geographical informational systems. We are ready to investigate new
technologies, tools and systems.
We have reliable and approved system of project management what
includes automated task-flow, time-tracking, source code versioning
and bug tracking processes. We have completed over 20 web and
application solutions for Italian, Canadian, Belarusian and German
customers. Detailed team references can be sent on your request.
We can offer today following services:
1. Project outsourcing. We develop project following customer's
specification. If needed we can develop specifications using
customer's business requirements. In this case we perform all project
management and development tasks. Customer can control development
flow thru intermediate results of development stages. Durations of
stages may vary from 1 week to 1 month depending of project scale.
2. HR outsourcing. Dedicated developers work directly with customer.
Customer defines which developers fit him better, performs target
setting and controls result. Developers and customers negotiate using
email and ICQ. The control is performed using our automated system of
daily reports, which has appropriate web-interface.
Our hourly rate is $10. I can send developers' resumes on your
request. We will consider any suggestions of yours but long-term
collaboration is preferable. If you are interested in this offer
please feel free to contact me obb@tut.by.
Sorry to trouble if our proposal is not interesting for you.
Yours sincerely,
Boris Olesiyuk
Team Leader
Belasoft International FV
37-88 Skariny av., Minsk, Belarus, 220003
tel: +375 17 2848804
e-mail: obb@tut.by
ICQ: 76130091
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Ogie Ogelthorpe
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:49 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Boris Olesiyuk wrote:
| Quote: | Dear Sir/Madam!
I would like to introduce Belasoft International FV, software
development company from Minsk, Belarus. Now I would like to propose
you our service in offshore outsourcing of software development.
Here is brief description of our company:
Belasoft Int. works in field of software design and development since
May 2000. We have 7 employees. Our high-educated professional staff is
experienced in development of small to medium scale solutions. We have
strong knowledge of following development technologies and products:
- Autodesk (AutoCAD 2000/2002/2004/2005, OnSite Desktop, OnSite View
and ObjectARX),
- Microsoft (Visual C++, Visual Basic, COM, ActiveX, ASP/IIS,
OLEDB/ADO, SQL Server, Access, .NET, C#),
- Java (J2EE, J2ME, JSP/Servlets, EJB, JDBC, Jini/Jiro, JavaMail,
JCE, JNDI, JMS, SOAP, WebServices, Hibernate).
We are experienced in database development supporting different
database engines (MS SQL Server, MS Access, Oracle DB, MySQL),
developing complex web-based interfaces and components, development
for mobile devices (WinCE, Symbian), works a lot in field of
geographical informational systems. We are ready to investigate new
technologies, tools and systems.
We have reliable and approved system of project management what
includes automated task-flow, time-tracking, source code versioning
and bug tracking processes. We have completed over 20 web and
application solutions for Italian, Canadian, Belarusian and German
customers. Detailed team references can be sent on your request.
We can offer today following services:
1. Project outsourcing. We develop project following customer's
specification. If needed we can develop specifications using
customer's business requirements. In this case we perform all project
management and development tasks. Customer can control development
flow thru intermediate results of development stages. Durations of
stages may vary from 1 week to 1 month depending of project scale.
2. HR outsourcing. Dedicated developers work directly with customer.
Customer defines which developers fit him better, performs target
setting and controls result. Developers and customers negotiate using
email and ICQ. The control is performed using our automated system of
daily reports, which has appropriate web-interface.
Our hourly rate is $10. I can send developers' resumes on your
request. We will consider any suggestions of yours but long-term
collaboration is preferable. If you are interested in this offer
please feel free to contact me obb@tut.by.
Sorry to trouble if our proposal is not interesting for you.
Yours sincerely,
Boris Olesiyuk
Team Leader
Belasoft International FV
37-88 Skariny av., Minsk, Belarus, 220003
tel: +375 17 2848804
e-mail: obb@tut.by
ICQ: 76130091
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Try www.elance.com
Ogie |
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Chuck Harris
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:57 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Ogie Ogelthorpe wrote:
| Quote: | Boris Olesiyuk wrote:
Our hourly rate is $10. I can send developers' resumes on your
request. We will consider any suggestions of yours but long-term
collaboration is preferable. If you are interested in this offer
please feel free to contact me obb@tut.by.
Sorry to trouble if our proposal is not interesting for you.
Yours sincerely,
Boris Olesiyuk
Team Leader
Belasoft International FV
37-88 Skariny av., Minsk, Belarus, 220003
tel: +375 17 2848804
e-mail: obb@tut.by
ICQ: 76130091
Try www.elance.com
Ogie
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In the US, for $10 per hour, you can eat, or live indoors but not
both.
We need to start applying duties and tariffs to this stuff.
It annoys me that I cannot get small runs of PC boards made here in
the US as cheaply, or as easily, as I can get them made by Olimex
in Bulgaria; yet they can ship to the US duty and tax free.
If anyone knows of a US PC house that provides the level of quality
and service of Olimex, I would like to know about it so I can switch.
-Chuck
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Simon Peacock
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Don't you just love capitalism !!!
Simon
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:Z_mdnS383sqCbWPcRVn-sg@rcn.net...
| Quote: | Ogie Ogelthorpe wrote:
Boris Olesiyuk wrote:
Our hourly rate is $10. I can send developers' resumes on your
request. We will consider any suggestions of yours but long-term
collaboration is preferable. If you are interested in this offer
please feel free to contact me obb@tut.by.
Sorry to trouble if our proposal is not interesting for you.
Yours sincerely,
Boris Olesiyuk
Team Leader
Belasoft International FV
37-88 Skariny av., Minsk, Belarus, 220003
tel: +375 17 2848804
e-mail: obb@tut.by
ICQ: 76130091
Try www.elance.com
Ogie
In the US, for $10 per hour, you can eat, or live indoors but not
both.
We need to start applying duties and tariffs to this stuff.
It annoys me that I cannot get small runs of PC boards made here in
the US as cheaply, or as easily, as I can get them made by Olimex
in Bulgaria; yet they can ship to the US duty and tax free.
If anyone knows of a US PC house that provides the level of quality
and service of Olimex, I would like to know about it so I can switch.
-Chuck |
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Tony Williams
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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In article <la2vv0tam6h0cft6eq5fub4qksrckjod1u@4ax.com>,
Cliff <Clhuprich@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Looks like the neocons are outsourcing Hillery's
new helicopters (Marine one fleet of 23) too.
[snip]
Is Lockheed Martin well known for their quality helicopters?
Naturally, much of it will be outsourced by the neocons .....
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Reported here in the UK as an Augusta/Westland helicopter.
The twirly bits (rotors,etc) by Westland in the UK, and
the rest by Augusta in Italy.
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Chuck Harris
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Simon Peacock wrote:
| Quote: | Don't you just love capitalism !!!
Simon
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Why yes, I do.
But I also like having a better than a third world standard of
living. The only way I can compete against $10/hour folks in
Eastern block countries is in quality of service. But their
quality of service is rapidly improving, and it is really cutting
into my business.
There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.
We need to level the playing field, but I am not willing to do it
by lowering the standard of living I have earned through my very
hard work.
The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
I refuse to get a job where I have to say, "Do you want fries with that?"
-Chuck Harris |
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Cliff
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:37:52 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
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What do you have against free trade republicans?
Looks like the neocons are outsourcing Hillery's
new helicopters (Marine one fleet of 23) too.
http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2005/01/31/daily4.html
"Lockheed Martin team awarded Marine One contract"
[
The overall contract, worth $6.1 billion, consists of $3.6 billion for
the fleet of helicopters and $2.5 billion for research and
development. The Lockheed team will receive $1.7 billion initially to
begin manufacturing the 23 helicopters, which are to be completed in
2009.
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Is Lockheed Martin well known for their quality helicopters?
Naturally, much of it will be outsourced by the neocons .....
How much per at $6.1 billion/23 helicopters? Why does she need 23?
Can't she take the bus instead?
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Cliff
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Chuck Harris
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Cliff wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:37:52 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
What do you have against free trade republicans?
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Fascinating! The NAFTA and GATT laws that made this possible were the
spawn of the Clinton administration. I have heard Bubba called a lot
of things, but never a republican.
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Looks like the neocons are outsourcing Hillery's
new helicopters (Marine one fleet of 23) too.
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Hillary won't be getting one. They are part of the presidential fleet.
She may run for president in 2008, but she won't win.
-Chuck |
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Dave Baker
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:37:52 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
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In which case you will need to pay even more for your products designed by
engineers.
| Quote: | I refuse to get a job where I have to say, "Do you want fries with that?"
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That might be the result...
Dave
The email address used for sending these postings is not valid.
All replies to the group please. |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:37:52 -0500, the renowned Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Simon Peacock wrote:
Don't you just love capitalism !!!
Simon
Why yes, I do.
But I also like having a better than a third world standard of
living. The only way I can compete against $10/hour folks in
Eastern block countries is in quality of service. But their
quality of service is rapidly improving, and it is really cutting
into my business.
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But, you see, old chap, being forced to pay $70/hour for $5 or
$10/work would really cut into the business of others. That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Erecting trade walls around a country is believed to cause really
serious problems in the long run. Cutting you loose is just the lesser
of two evils.
| Quote: | There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.
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Probably true.
| Quote: | We need to level the playing field, but I am not willing to do it
by lowering the standard of living I have earned through my very
hard work.
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Right, so you need to do something else if you're competing directly
with $0.50/hour, $10/hour or $20/hour labor. Note that the $10/hour is
their "shop rate", the actual workers wouldn't make that princely sum.
| Quote: | The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
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I don't think that's going to happen (barring disaster). The
protectionist types in both US parties are nowhere near power. It's
like climate change or someone starting a war, or massive deficits and
currency devaluation- you can try to stop it, but in the end the
forces are too large, and you just have to adapt and live with it (and
hopefully prosper). Wherever there is such change and upheaval there
are also massive opportunities somewhere.
| Quote: | I refuse to get a job where I have to say, "Do you want fries with that?"
-Chuck Harris
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You can always clean plugged toilets. we have a neighbor who does that
(well, sort of, industrially), and he looks to be every bit as
affluent, and works more limited hours, takes long exotic vacations
etc. At least until telepresence robots operated from Bangalore or
Chengdu come along.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Chuck Harris
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:45 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
| Quote: | But, you see, old chap, being forced to pay $70/hour for $5 or
$10/work would really cut into the business of others. That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Erecting trade walls around a country is believed to cause really
serious problems in the long run. Cutting you loose is just the lesser
of two evils.
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No doubt, but as I recall, you too are engaged in the engineering field.
What do you plan to do to steel yourself from forced retirement?
Every single field I can think of that is technical in nature is being
attacked by current trade and immigration policies.
I don't think plunging toilets is going to do it, because we have more
than enough resident aliens in this country that are willing to do that
for less money than your friend.
It strikes me that the only hope is for the US dollar to be come so worthless
that we cannot afford to buy $10 per hour Belarus labor, and will have to
settle for $100 per hour US labor.
-Chuck Harris |
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just another
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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In article <xIWdnS3liInod2LcRVn-gw@rcn.net>, Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | It strikes me that the only hope is for the US dollar to be come so worthless
that we cannot afford to buy $10 per hour Belarus labor, and will have to
settle for $100 per hour US labor.
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Ah, well in that case hire me. I'll do it for my standard rate of $50 U.S./hr. |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:08 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:45:40 -0500, the renowned Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Spehro Pefhany wrote:
But, you see, old chap, being forced to pay $70/hour for $5 or
$10/work would really cut into the business of others. That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Erecting trade walls around a country is believed to cause really
serious problems in the long run. Cutting you loose is just the lesser
of two evils.
No doubt, but as I recall, you too are engaged in the engineering field.
What do you plan to do to steel yourself from forced retirement?
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Me? I'm reasonably busy with interesting real design work at the
moment. Some of the instrumentation and other specialized design
requires a lot of background knowledge that isn't fast or cheap for
newcomers to acquire. But I'm also doing other things... perhaps
actually facilitating in a small way (so far) the seismic changes that
are occurring in the business by building bridges between continents
and cultures. Plus, I won't have to worry about that many more decades
into the future, as an 18-year-old would. That's without even doing
the 2nd career thing.
OTOH, my young son is learning Chinese.
| Quote: | Every single field I can think of that is technical in nature is being
attacked by current trade and immigration policies.
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Yet some people are making metric scads of money, and corporate
profits continue to do well. The policies you speak of do not harm
profits, they actually enable higher profits. To the extent we all own
bits of companies, this helps all of us.
| Quote: | I don't think plunging toilets is going to do it, because we have more
than enough resident aliens in this country that are willing to do that
for less money than your friend.
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At least the resident alien has to pay the same prices as you do for
services and stuff. Pays at least some taxes. And is exposed to
similar societal pressures to send kids to good schools and own an SUV
or whatever.
| Quote: | It strikes me that the only hope is for the US dollar to be come so worthless
that we cannot afford to buy $10 per hour Belarus labor, and will have to
settle for $100 per hour US labor.
-Chuck Harris
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Fortunately, people don't make decisions on hiring engineering labor
or consultants based solely on price per hour. I like doing
fixed-price quotes.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Chuck Harris
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:45:40 -0500, the renowned Chuck Harris
No doubt, but as I recall, you too are engaged in the engineering field.
What do you plan to do to steel yourself from forced retirement?
Me? I'm reasonably busy with interesting real design work at the
moment. Some of the instrumentation and other specialized design
requires a lot of background knowledge that isn't fast or cheap for
newcomers to acquire. But I'm also doing other things... perhaps
actually facilitating in a small way (so far) the seismic changes that
are occurring in the business by building bridges between continents
and cultures. Plus, I won't have to worry about that many more decades
into the future, as an 18-year-old would. That's without even doing
the 2nd career thing.
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Possibly so, but it is said that the first person to live to be 1000 years
old is 60 years old today.
I used to think the security devices I designed for the US Army were
not readily outsourced, but of late I find that more and more of that
kind of work is getting done to spec in former soviet bloc countries.
So don't be real surprised when they come for your job. They will.
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OTOH, my young son is learning Chinese.
Every single field I can think of that is technical in nature is being
attacked by current trade and immigration policies.
Yet some people are making metric scads of money, and corporate
profits continue to do well. The policies you speak of do not harm
profits, they actually enable higher profits. To the extent we all own
bits of companies, this helps all of us.
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The only folk making metric scads of money are those that already had
metric scads of money. The US economy is stratisfying into the rich and
the poor. The middle is mostly getting shoved down.
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I don't think plunging toilets is going to do it, because we have more
than enough resident aliens in this country that are willing to do that
for less money than your friend.
At least the resident alien has to pay the same prices as you do for
services and stuff. Pays at least some taxes. And is exposed to
similar societal pressures to send kids to good schools and own an SUV
or whatever.
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No, he doesn't. Typically, they don't file for tax refunds, so in that way
they are contributing more than their fair share, but also typically they
live 5 or 6 families to a single family home. As a result, the local property
taxes are getting short changed. In Maryland, the property taxes pay for the
schools and public services. In my county, we have just had all of our houses
appraised at a 65% higher value.
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It strikes me that the only hope is for the US dollar to be come so worthless
that we cannot afford to buy $10 per hour Belarus labor, and will have to
settle for $100 per hour US labor.
-Chuck Harris
Fortunately, people don't make decisions on hiring engineering labor
or consultants based solely on price per hour. I like doing
fixed-price quotes.
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Don't worry, they will beat your fixed price quotes by a similar margin.
I have already felt the sting.
-Chuck |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:54 am Post subject:
Re: Offshore software development outsourcing |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:20:59 -0500, the renowned Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The only folk making metric scads of money are those that already had
metric scads of money. The US economy is stratisfying into the rich and
the poor. The middle is mostly getting shoved down.
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"to turn $100 into $110 is work, but to turn $100 million into $110
million? that's inevitable".
-- Edgar Bronfman
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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