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Steven O.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:40 am Post subject:
A little help with some basic calculus |
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Okay, this is a homework problem, but I'm middle-aged and already have
my B.A., and just returning to school to pick up a little more
knowledge. Besides, you can clearly see (below) that I'm giving this
my best shot. So, someone please help me out here. For a basic
electronics class, we are given that the temperature coefficient for
the resistance of a material is given by:
a (for alpha) = (1/R)(dR/dT), and we are asked to show that:
R2 = {[ 1 + a(T1 - Ts) ] / [1 + a(T2 - Ts)]} R2
where Ts is the "reference temperature".
But here is how the math works out for me:
a = (1/R)(dR/dT)
dR/R = a dT Take indefinite integral of both sides....
ln R = a T + Ts, where Ts is said reference temperature
Assume R1 corresponds to T1, and R2 to T2, then....
ln R1 = a T1 + Ts, and ln R2 = a T2 + Ts
ln R1 - ln R2 = a (T1 - T2), so Ts is already gone.
ln (R1/R2) = a (T1 - T2), exponentiate both sides...
R1/R2 = exp (a [T1 - T2])
exp x is approximately 1 + x, so we have,
R1 = R2 { (1 + a [T1 - T2]) }, which is not the professor's desired
result. Did the professor screw up, or have I forgotten some basic
calculus or algebra in twenty years since college? Thanks in advance
for all replies....
Steve O.
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Andrew Holme
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:
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Steven O. wrote:
| Quote: | Okay, this is a homework problem, but I'm middle-aged and already have
my B.A., and just returning to school to pick up a little more
knowledge. Besides, you can clearly see (below) that I'm giving this
my best shot. So, someone please help me out here. For a basic
electronics class, we are given that the temperature coefficient for
the resistance of a material is given by:
a (for alpha) = (1/R)(dR/dT), and we are asked to show that:
R2 = {[ 1 + a(T1 - Ts) ] / [1 + a(T2 - Ts)]} R2
where Ts is the "reference temperature".
But here is how the math works out for me:
a = (1/R)(dR/dT)
dR/R = a dT Take indefinite integral of both sides....
ln R = a T + Ts, where Ts is said reference temperature
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This is wrong. The constant of integration isn't Ts.
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Assume R1 corresponds to T1, and R2 to T2, then....
ln R1 = a T1 + Ts, and ln R2 = a T2 + Ts
ln R1 - ln R2 = a (T1 - T2), so Ts is already gone.
ln (R1/R2) = a (T1 - T2), exponentiate both sides...
R1/R2 = exp (a [T1 - T2])
exp x is approximately 1 + x, so we have,
R1 = R2 { (1 + a [T1 - T2]) }, which is not the professor's desired
result. Did the professor screw up, or have I forgotten some basic
calculus or algebra in twenty years since college? Thanks in advance
for all replies....
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Your maths looks fine to me, apart from that constant of integration - which
cancels-out anyway
Maybe your teacher did it this way :
[ ln R ] Limits Rs -> R = [ aT ] Limits Ts -> T
ln (R1/Rs) = a[T1-Ts]
ln (R2/Rs) = a[T2-Ts]
R1/Rs = exp( a[T1-Ts] )
R2/Rs = exp( a[T1-Ts] )
If we apply the approximation now ...
R1/Rs ~ 1 + a[T1-Ts] eqn 1
R2/Rs ~ 1 + a[T1-Ts] eqn 2
Divide eqn 1 / eqn 2
R1/R2 = { 1 + a[T1-Ts] } / { 1 + a[T2-Ts] } |
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Jonathan Kirwan
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:57:47 GMT, Steven O. <null@null.com> wrote:
If I follow the intent, I get:
dR/R = a dT
ln R + C1 = a*T + C2
ln R = a*T + C2 - C1
ln R = a*T + C
solve C for initial conditions, which is Rref and Tref
C = ln Rref - a*Tref
Plugging back in, we get:
ln R = a*T + ln Rref - a*Tref
ln R = a*T - a*Tref + ln Rref
ln R = a*(T - Tref) + ln Rref
ln R - ln Rref = a*(T-Tref)
ln (R/Rref) = a*(T-Tref)
R/Rref = e^(a*(T-Tref))
R/Rref = e^(a*T)/e^(a*Tref)
or,
R/Rref = A*e^(a*T), where A = e^(-a*Tref)
I think that puts me in rough agreement with you, to this point. Substituting
1+x for e^x:
R/Rref = (1+a*(T-Tref))
R = RRef * (1+a*(T-Tref))
I suppose if there were two different R's, say R1 and R2, then their ratio would
be:
R1/R2 = [RRef * (1+a*(T1-Tref))] / [RRef * (1+a*(T2-Tref))]
R1/R2 = [(1+a*(T1-Tref))] / [(1+a*(T2-Tref))]
That would look about like your teacher's ratio, wouldn't it?
Jon
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