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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Hi...

Just a question running through my mind. I know that a 12volt car
battery can't electrocute you.

What if i pass it through a step up dc converter to let say 110v for
the or 240v . Would the car battery now electrocute me if i were to
touch the neg and pos since the power supplied by the battery is almost
equivalent to the power supplied by the house electrical power source?

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vic
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Yes it could hurt you, the difference is that you must touch both
terminals at once since there is no ground path.
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PeteS
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Fibrillation (which is what kills you) is perfectly possible with a 12V
battery in the 'right' conditions.

What it takes is 100mA through the heart (an acquaintance of mine got
killed this way doing a charging check on the 28VDC system in a
helicopter many years ago)

As your effective skin resistance varies, it will depend on your
effective resistance being about 80-100 ohms, and the current going
from one set of fingers to the other (so the current path is through
the heart area).

Cheers

PeteS

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Nog
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

110 and 240 is 110 and 240. It can stop your heart or make you stab your
self in the eye with a screwdriver.
Don't think a 12 volt battery can't hurt you. The current can fry your ass.
Think about your wedding ring turning white hot..
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Rich Grise
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

The way your question is phrased, the answer is no. The 12V from the
battery won't hurt you any more if it's supplying a load than if it's
not (this not counting open wounds (neglibile body resistance), hot
wrenches (you can weld with a 12V battery, under the right conditions),
and that sort of thing, which is a different question). But the 12V is
still 12V.

But the 110 or 240 definitely will at least give you a painful jolt,
and can very easily burn you or kill you.

Hope This Helps!
Rich
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Art
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Fill out your organ donor card and give it a try. Let us know what your
symptomatic diagnostics verify to be true?
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Easily.

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Tom Biasi
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Study some about power.
Measure your body resistance and make calculations of current flow with 12
volts as a source.
Find a chart that shows the effects of current flow through the body.

Respect the potential energy in that battery.
Work safely,
Tom
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Bob
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

DO NOT MAKE RESISTANCE MEASUREMENTS OF YOUR BODY WITH 12V !!!

As someone else pointed out, it only takes about 100mA through your heart to
kill you -- and maybe less.

Normally, the skin resistance is very high. If you're sweaty the it's less.
If you're under the epidermis then WATCH OUT. Don't take a chance unless you
really know what you're doing.

Bob
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R. Steve Walz
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

A few volts arm to arm administered with needles will stop your
heart.

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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

what i meant was after stepping up the battery to a very high voltage
such as 110 or 240 volt... would it kill you if you touch the terminal
at the point after stepping it up? cuz from my guess it should right?
because the voltage is now high enough to penetrate the skin and the
current is also quite big.
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Maybe you meant that but that's not what you wrote.
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Quote:
what i meant was after stepping up the battery to a very high voltage
such as 110 or 240 volt... would it kill you if you touch the terminal
at the point after stepping it up? cuz from my guess it should right?
because the voltage is now high enough to penetrate the skin and the
current is also quite big.

120 or 240 V will be equally hazardous whether it comes directly from
the power company, or from an inverter powered from your car battery.


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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Quote:
would it kill you if you touch the terminal
at the point after stepping it up?
cuz from my guess it should right?

120 or 240 is not very high. You would get shocked, but probably
wouldn't die.

An electric chair that kills people operates on 2000 volts and can be
powered from a 12 volt car battery.

-Bill
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: electrocution by car battery Reply with quote

Quote:
what i meant was after stepping up the battery to a very high voltage
such as 110 or 240 volt... would it kill you if you touch the terminal
at the point after stepping it up? cuz from my guess it should right?
because the voltage is now high enough to penetrate the skin and the
current is also quite big.

If the voltage you're grabbing onto is 110 or 240, yes, you could stop your
heart.

It doesn't matter, as someone already pointed out, if it's in an electrical
outlet in your home, or in an inverter in your car; 110 (or 240) is still the
same lethal potential.

Be careful.
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