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John Larkin
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
John
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Paul Burke
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
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It's the point at which the laws of physics as they exist started to
apply. There were probably other rules before that, which
astroarchaeologists may be able to partly ascertain in the future.
Perhaps by examining the inhomogenieties in the residual big- bang
radiation, or other oddities like why there's lots of matter and little
antimatter.
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Don Bowey
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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On 12/6/05 8:07 PM, in article ssncp19lqrm3js9d4ceuk1l6htm58erh3j@4ax.com,
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
John
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It just returned everything to approximately where it was.
Don
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Robert
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
John
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And virtual particles do not?
But then, it depends on if it came from somewhere else so the books (could)
stay balanced.
And then the Conservation Principles have never been derived from something
more fundamental.
The most I've ever heard of is deriving them from Mathematical Symmetries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
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Ken Smith
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:
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In article <ssncp19lqrm3js9d4ceuk1l6htm58erh3j@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
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Under current theories, the universe is just the sort of thing that
happens now and then.
OR
.....then God said ....
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Bob Monsen
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:07:08 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
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I've always wondered what it was like from the point of view of particles
inside the big bang... my guess would be it would feel exactly like now to
'them'. It is only as we look back that it seems hot and exciting, with
our cold, slow perspective (like remembering a high school romance?).
After all, all the energy was right there, inside all the space. Just like
now.
Suppose the speed of light was changing, and that change was what caused
the 'red shift' that implies the big bang. So, the astrophysicists would
be projecting back into infinitely longer time than they expect, based on
believing c to be constant, when really it was slowing, leading to
seemingly larger distances.
--
Regards,
Bob Monsen
Harshaw stopped long enough to remind himself that this baby innocent
was neither babyish nor innocent was in fact sophisticated in a
culture which he was beginning to realize, however dimly, was far in
advance of human culture in some very mysterious ways’¡Ä and that these
naive remarks came from a superman or what would do in place of a
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quietguy
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Only because it went off before the law of conservation was passed - if
it had just waited.....
David
John Larkin wrote:
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John |
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Dave
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
John
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whale .... but not wail
....... from something the size of a pin head |
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John Larkin
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:04:20 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz>
wrote:
| Quote: | In article <4396D1E3.46F7C036@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-
counselling.com>, quietguy@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-
counselling.com says...
Only because it went off before the law of conservation was passed - if
it had just waited.....
You think the universe should have waited until Dec 2, 1970 to
start? I think we'd still be cold (or hot, depending on how you
look at it).
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We wouldn't need AD, BC, BCE, or Ma; just ABB.
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Keith Williams
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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In article <4396D1E3.46F7C036@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-
counselling.com>, quietguy@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-
counselling.com says...
| Quote: | Only because it went off before the law of conservation was passed - if
it had just waited.....
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You think the universe should have waited until Dec 2, 1970 to
start? I think we'd still be cold (or hot, depending on how you
look at it).
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John Fields
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:07:08 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
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The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
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There was no Big Bang.
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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer |
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Rene Tschaggelar
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
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I somehow think the energy and other stuff is preserved,
if not, it could as well have stayed in the box awaiting
a better time.
Rene
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& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net |
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Bob Stephens
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:07:08 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
John
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If you're a big enough bang, don't you get to make your own rules?
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John Devereux
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> writes:
| Quote: | The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation
of Energy.
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Not neccessarily. Gravitational energy is negative (because it takes
energy to separate masses). If you add up all the negative
gravitational energy, it can balance the positive mass-energy of the
matter.
Or, maybe there was another universe made out of some exotic matter
with negative energy...
Or, maybe the universe is like a virtual particle.
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Rich The Philosophizer
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:07:08 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | The Big Bang must have been one whale of a violation of Conservation of
Energy.
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"It is difficult to communicate in words the intensity and depth of the
shock and outrage that was felt all throughout the Will of Original Heart
when my Light revved up so much that it blew us apart from each other,
and blew her to fragments. There had never in all eternity been even a
small amount of displeasure, and pain was completely unknown to us except
as an abstract experience that could be only imagined, but never felt.
"Then suddenly, without any way to know what it would be like, we
experienced the first and most intense pain, shock and horror possible.
But the horror didn't stop, nor did the pain. And the shock is still
present everywhere. In one instant we went from the most blissfully happy
and rapturous Love in our eternal union of and as Original Heart... to
the worst possible nightmare of pain, suffering, loss, remorse and
eternal damnation...."
--- http://www.godchannel.com/gf1.html
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Thanks,
Rich
for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com |
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