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Chuck Harris
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | regular blub. But I sure do like the desk lamp. It has two 13W
"PL"
CFL tubes and puts out a lot of light. Only $25 at OSH.
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Where are the CFL tubes relative to the solid state ballasts?
If they are running the usual 100KHz SS ballasts down in the base,
and trucking the wires for the CFL tubes a dozen inches to the lamp
head, that is likely to radiate much more trash than the usual
CFL replacement for an incandescent bulb.
-Chuck
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
regular blub. But I sure do like the desk lamp. It has two 13W
"PL"
CFL tubes and puts out a lot of light. Only $25 at OSH.
Where are the CFL tubes relative to the solid state ballasts?
If they are running the usual 100KHz SS ballasts down in the base,
and trucking the wires for the CFL tubes a dozen inches to the lamp
head, that is likely to radiate much more trash than the usual
CFL replacement for an incandescent bulb.
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I haven't pulled one apart yet to find out. BRB...
Well, I pulled the base off one, and found two regular laminated E-I
'transformer' ballasts in the base. Three wires (not twisted) up thru
the gooseneck to the tubes. No electronic ballast. But the waveform of
the AC is still noisy because the tubes breakdown at some high voltage,
so relatively quick risetimes. I saw no caps at all in the base. To
help filter some of the noise, I may get a X2 or Y2 rated cap and solder
it across the AC line in the base. It's zipcord with a two pin power
plug.
> -Chuck |
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Chuck Harris
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:50 am Post subject:
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | Well, I pulled the base off one, and found two regular laminated E-I
'transformer' ballasts in the base. Three wires (not twisted) up thru
the gooseneck to the tubes. No electronic ballast. But the waveform of
the AC is still noisy because the tubes breakdown at some high voltage,
so relatively quick risetimes. I saw no caps at all in the base. To
help filter some of the noise, I may get a X2 or Y2 rated cap and solder
it across the AC line in the base. It's zipcord with a two pin power
plug.
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Interesting. I have both a CFL (in a luxo lamp), and a regular fluorescent
(in a Luxo magnifier) on my bench, and neither bother my HP3456A, or my HP3478A
in the DC positions. They do bother both meters in the AC position, but that is
expected.
I have to wonder if the 50/60Hz switch is working properly on your meter. What
you are describing is exactly why that switch was put there.
-Chuck
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ehsjr
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | I stopped by harbor Freight Tools last wk and bought a Cen-Tech DMm for
$3.99, which is even cheaper than the ones I got thru the mail.
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Just got a new Harbor Freight flyer in the mail - they are on
sale again for $2.99.
Ed |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
I stopped by harbor Freight Tools last wk and bought a Cen-Tech DMm
for
$3.99, which is even cheaper than the ones I got thru the mail.
Just got a new Harbor Freight flyer in the mail - they are on
sale again for $2.99.
Ed
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First time I'd been there in years.
Probably be years before I go again. :-P |
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Gar
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
I stopped by harbor Freight Tools last wk and bought a Cen-Tech DMm for
$3.99, which is even cheaper than the ones I got thru the mail.
Just got a new Harbor Freight flyer in the mail - they are on
sale again for $2.99.
Ed |
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Gar
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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You both got ripped. That's rather expensive. I paid a $1.99 for the same
basic Centec DMM at Harbor Freight about 6 weeks ago. I bought a bushel or
two.
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
I stopped by harbor Freight Tools last wk and bought a Cen-Tech DMm for
$3.99, which is even cheaper than the ones I got thru the mail.
Just got a new Harbor Freight flyer in the mail - they are on
sale again for $2.99.
Ed |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
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"Gar" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You both got ripped. That's rather expensive. I paid a $1.99 for the
same
basic Centec DMM at Harbor Freight about 6 weeks ago. I bought a
bushel or
two.
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
I stopped by harbor Freight Tools last wk and bought a Cen-Tech
DMm for
$3.99, which is even cheaper than the ones I got thru the mail.
Just got a new Harbor Freight flyer in the mail - they are on
sale again for $2.99.
Ed
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That's cool. Your only problem right now is going thru all of them and
removing the battery so that it won't leak all over the innnards and
ruin them while they're sitting around for the next ten years. ;-) |
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Walter Harley
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | [...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
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Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird tax rules
here. |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject:
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"Walter Harley" <walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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[...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax
authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is
considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few
loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird tax
rules
here.
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Too bad. ;-)
(From a Calif. resident) |
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:-: Ghost Chip :-:
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
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They're ok for a cheap meter. 1 meg input impedance. ~4%
accuracy.
Better than 1k or 10k meter movements but the 9v
battery costs more than the meter.
GC |
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Jim Adney
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:12:16 -0700 "Walter Harley"
<walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:xPGdnfvn0aBu3FjfRVn-2Q@rcn.net...
[...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird tax rules
here.
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I was surprised to find out a few years ago that WI sales tax was also
levied on the shipping & handling charges.
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Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject:
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"Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:12:16 -0700 "Walter Harley"
walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote:
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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[...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax
authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is
considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few
loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird tax
rules
here.
I was surprised to find out a few years ago that WI sales tax was also
levied on the shipping & handling charges.
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Up until recently, I became acutely aware that other states were doing
this. In Calif, it seemed to me that it just makes common sense that
sales tax would _not_ be levied on services, such as 'transportation' as
the tax code calls it, and any service that isn't actually the goods
itself. See, labor (AKA services) is _already_ taxed thru income tax.
Back years ago, _all_ food was not taxable. Then Sacramento came up
with what was called the 'Twinky Tax'. Some foods such as those sold in
vending machines became taxable. (It sure hasn't slowed people down
from eating them! Sunday Morning on CBS this morning had a piece on how
everything is being made larger to accommodate larger people. Subway
seats used to be 17", now they're in the low 20's. Dress sizes of a
certain number have become larger, etc.)
I'm not sure how they draw the line between Twinkies and cupcakes. |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:10:11 -0500, the renowned Jim Adney
<jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:12:16 -0700 "Walter Harley"
walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote:
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:xPGdnfvn0aBu3FjfRVn-2Q@rcn.net...
[...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird tax rules
here.
I was surprised to find out a few years ago that WI sales tax was also
levied on the shipping & handling charges.
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Probably to keep vendors from potentially avoiding tax on behalf of
their customers by invoicing an item as $0.99 plus $150 'shipping and
handling'.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:10:11 -0500, the renowned Jim Adney
jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:12:16 -0700 "Walter Harley"
walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote:
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:xPGdnfvn0aBu3FjfRVn-2Q@rcn.net...
[...] Sales tax rules differ from state
to state. Some require tax on services, some don't.
Yep. Here in WA state, at least the last time I asked the tax
authority and
to the best of my understanding of their answer, shipping cost is
considered
part of the total sale price, so it's taxed (give or take a few
loopholes
that don't generally apply). But then we have all kinds of weird
tax rules
here.
I was surprised to find out a few years ago that WI sales tax was
also
levied on the shipping & handling charges.
Probably to keep vendors from potentially avoiding tax on behalf of
their customers by invoicing an item as $0.99 plus $150 'shipping and
handling'.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Well, I don't see that happening. The customer doesn't have to pay ten
bucks tax, but the vendor still hase to send tax on 99 cents to the
state, so it still doesn't save him anything. And then there's the
matter of the state saying that the vendor is attempting to avoid what's
due the state, and then the vendor has a legal problem. And it's no
skin off the vendor's nose if the customer pays the ten dollars or not.
So your scenario doesn't seem plausible. But on Ebay, they seem to do
it to avoid selling fees or to lower risk. |
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