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Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
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What does upset Pro's in this news group when i say that wireless
alarm systems are unreliable during Radio Frequency Interferences
(RFI) ?
Well look at theyre childish answers (instead of providing
professional arguments) they try to ridicule, mono-bit/mono-lingual
persons language battle, they tell you everything, the most stupid
first, ..
Usual low level electrician behavior who think they have to battle to
defend theyre position.
Look around when you are in the industry, fighting is a typical
attitude of the lower education class persons.
Where are manufacturers counter arguments to my statement that RFI
muzzle the wireless alarm systems?
Why do manufacturers not provide data about the main difference
between wired and wireless: the wireless data loop between sensors and
the control panel ?
Because it can't be resolved in the actual FCC allowed frequency
space, to crowded, to limited in band size and used free without
interference warranty and control.
Now the pro's tend to let you believe that there is a RFI detection
circuit, its in fact a sensor malfunction control and it don't resolve
the RFI problem.
Well it don't, the receiver is still muzzled and the alarm system
don't provide any valid output data to tell that an intruder is
present and detected.
Theyre new objective is to deviate the discussion from the main
problem, RFI muzzling..
Good strategy?
Well stupid executer attitude, it don't solve anything but it may
impress some owners or future owners of wireless alarm systems who
think that they know... They have experience and don't need any tool
to "see" the wireless loop solution.
Nevertheless, wireless alarm systems are UNRELIABLE DURING
INTERFERENCE, pro's at several instances have admitted that but they
don't like to talk about it, they prefers to fight against what i say
instead of arguing (recall what i said here above, its a typical
executer attitude who tend to force theyre position).
Paul
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:
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What does upset Pro's in this news group when i say that wireless
alarm systems are unreliable during Radio Frequency Interferences
(RFI) ?
Well look at theyre childish answers (instead of providing
professional arguments) they try to ridicule, mono-bit/mono-lingual
persons language battle, they tell you everything, the most stupid
first, ..
Usual low level electrician behavior who think they have to battle to
defend theyre position.
Look around when you are in the industry, fighting is a typical
attitude of the lower education class persons.
Where are manufacturers counter arguments to my statement that RFI
muzzle the wireless alarm systems?
Why do manufacturers not provide data about the main difference
between wired and wireless: the wireless data loop between sensors and
the control panel ?
Because it can't be resolved in the actual FCC allowed frequency
space, to crowded, to limited in band size and used free without
interference warranty and control.
Now the pro's tend to let you believe that there is a RFI detection
circuit, its in fact a sensor malfunction control and it don't resolve
the RFI problem.
Well it don't, the receiver is still muzzled and the alarm system
don't provide any valid output data to tell that an intruder is
present and detected.
Theyre new objective is to deviate the discussion from the main
problem, RFI muzzling..
Good strategy?
Well stupid executer attitude, it don't solve anything but it may
impress some owners or future owners of wireless alarm systems who
think that they know... They have experience and don't need any tool
to "see" the wireless loop solution.
Nevertheless, wireless alarm systems are UNRELIABLE DURING
INTERFERENCE, pro's at several instances have admitted that but they
don't like to talk about it, they prefers to fight against what i say
instead of arguing (recall what i said here above, its a typical
executer attitude who tend to force theyre position).
Paul |
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:34 am Post subject:
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I have many, many wireless installations. I have NEVER had a single problem
with them for the last eighte years.
Mikey says you have a little dick.
So, at least you got that going for you.
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What does upset Pro's in this news group when i say that wireless
alarm systems are unreliable during Radio Frequency Interferences
(RFI) ?
Well look at theyre childish answers (instead of providing
professional arguments) they try to ridicule, mono-bit/mono-lingual
persons language battle, they tell you everything, the most stupid
first, ..
Usual low level electrician behavior who think they have to battle to
defend theyre position.
Look around when you are in the industry, fighting is a typical
attitude of the lower education class persons.
Where are manufacturers counter arguments to my statement that RFI
muzzle the wireless alarm systems?
Why do manufacturers not provide data about the main difference
between wired and wireless: the wireless data loop between sensors and
the control panel ?
Because it can't be resolved in the actual FCC allowed frequency
space, to crowded, to limited in band size and used free without
interference warranty and control.
Now the pro's tend to let you believe that there is a RFI detection
circuit, its in fact a sensor malfunction control and it don't resolve
the RFI problem.
Well it don't, the receiver is still muzzled and the alarm system
don't provide any valid output data to tell that an intruder is
present and detected.
Theyre new objective is to deviate the discussion from the main
problem, RFI muzzling..
Good strategy?
Well stupid executer attitude, it don't solve anything but it may
impress some owners or future owners of wireless alarm systems who
think that they know... They have experience and don't need any tool
to "see" the wireless loop solution.
Nevertheless, wireless alarm systems are UNRELIABLE DURING
INTERFERENCE, pro's at several instances have admitted that but they
don't like to talk about it, they prefers to fight against what i say
instead of arguing (recall what i said here above, its a typical
executer attitude who tend to force theyre position).
Paul |
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G. Morgan
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:03 am Post subject:
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Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
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| Quote: | I have many, many wireless installations. I have NEVER had a single problem
with them for the last eighte years.
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Never a single problem? Awe come on now....
| Quote: | Mikey says you have a little dick.
So, at least you got that going for you.
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Ummmmm.... nevermind
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Remove the 'snails' from my email |
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:50 am Post subject:
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i have one job i did 5+years ago, 2 Vista 50 Controls, 84 wireless
zones total, bunch of hard wired beams also, 5804BDs ....anyway, i took
it over as it did have problems, BUT, only cause the house is pure
concrete with steel, built back some 50 years ago. They had only 2
receivers, 1 for each panel, and only on one side of the house, and
basicaly ended up having the zones that were giving issues, set to
unsupervised! Anyway, simple remedy was to just add a couple more
receivers for each panel, and make them all supervised, and all was
okay after that, going strong 5+ years now .....
for crying out loud, its the simplest wireless technology around ... it
only talks to the receiver when it has to, which is only in alarm, low
batt, trouble, or 24 hour check in. As for jamming, Ademco has
encrypted receivers, plus, what criminal is going to go to that trouble
to burglar a home... |
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BigWallop
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:25 am Post subject:
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<rory@aspbahamas.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | i have one job i did 5+years ago, 2 Vista 50 Controls, 84 wireless
zones total, bunch of hard wired beams also, 5804BDs ....anyway, i took
it over as it did have problems, BUT, only cause the house is pure
concrete with steel, built back some 50 years ago. They had only 2
receivers, 1 for each panel, and only on one side of the house, and
basicaly ended up having the zones that were giving issues, set to
unsupervised! Anyway, simple remedy was to just add a couple more
receivers for each panel, and make them all supervised, and all was
okay after that, going strong 5+ years now .....
for crying out loud, its the simplest wireless technology around ... it
only talks to the receiver when it has to, which is only in alarm, low
batt, trouble, or 24 hour check in. As for jamming, Ademco has
encrypted receivers, plus, what criminal is going to go to that trouble
to burglar a home...
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Paul might. Now he knows what to look out for. :-) LOL !!! |
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:
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| :-))))))) |
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Brian
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject:
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<rory@aspbahamas.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | As for jamming, Ademco has
encrypted receivers, plus, what criminal is going to go to that trouble
to burglar a home...
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The encryption is pathetic. But, you're right, it's much easier for the run
of the mill thief to cut the phone line and jam the cellular backup
frequency.
Brian. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:37 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:39:00 +0100, ......... <nomail@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What does upset Pro's in this news group when i say that wireless
alarm systems are unreliable during Radio Frequency Interferences
(RFI) ?
Well look at theyre childish answers (instead of providing
professional arguments) they try to ridicule, mono-bit/mono-lingual
persons language battle, they tell you everything, the most stupid
first, ..
Usual low level electrician behavior who think they have to battle to
defend theyre position.
Look around when you are in the industry, fighting is a typical
attitude of the lower education class persons.
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I confirm... Childish, elementary answers.
Still not grownup in radio transmission techniques he!
They still don't have understood the real mater and how easy it is to
have theyre wireless alarm systems "blocked" voluntary or Un voluntary
due to the crowd of the used frequencies.
The alarm system gives NO WARNING when RFI occur who muzzle the alarm
system.
They still don't have any tool to figure out if theyre wireless alarm
system is operational... The only tool they have is theyre small
knowledge of the finger in the wind technique, no electronic
knowledge, no radio burst transmission knowledge, they are just "low
level electricians", nothing more. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:45 am Post subject:
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/// They still don't have any tool to figure out if theyre wireless
alarm
system is operational... ///
yes, there is a reason they call it SUPERVISED - it checks in with
every wireless transmitter at a predetermined period of time - such as
6 hours, 12 hours, or 24 hours, etc. They also all have tamper
protection built in.
Next time you buy a Burglar Alarm system, take a look at a Real one,
not something peddled on the side of the street or purchased at your
local radio shack or toy store.
If you have such as problem with it, then just install hard wired and
stop posting, noone else cares! |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:01 am Post subject:
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On 15 Jan 2005 15:45:50 -0800, rory@aspbahamas.com wrote:
| Quote: | /// They still don't have any tool to figure out if theyre wireless
alarm
system is operational... ///
yes, there is a reason they call it SUPERVISED - it checks in with
every wireless transmitter at a predetermined period of time - such as
6 hours, 12 hours, or 24 hours, etc. They also all have tamper
protection built in.
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Still not up to speed he!
RFI can occur any time and don't last for a long time unless it is a
permanent hi power transmission in the vicinity and THAT can be
detected at INSTALLATION with a SUPERVISED system.
It confirms once more that supervision is useless in day by day
operation to detect RFI.
Very handy, the "intruder will wait hours" to allow you to detect a
RFI situation.
| Quote: | Next time you buy a Burglar Alarm system, take a look at a Real one,
not something peddled on the side of the street or purchased at your
local radio shack or toy store.
If you have such as problem with it, then just install hard wired and
stop posting, noone else cares!
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I have an hard wired system now but like to inform that "so called"
pro's sell "unreliable" wireless alarm systems whatever system they
sell, the most modern too. |
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BigWallop
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:33 am Post subject:
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<rory@aspbahamas.com> wrote in message
news:1105832750.064724.303280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | /// They still don't have any tool to figure out if theyre wireless
alarm
system is operational... ///
yes, there is a reason they call it SUPERVISED - it checks in with
every wireless transmitter at a predetermined period of time - such as
6 hours, 12 hours, or 24 hours, etc. They also all have tamper
protection built in.
Next time you buy a Burglar Alarm system, take a look at a Real one,
not something peddled on the side of the street or purchased at your
local radio shack or toy store.
If you have such as problem with it, then just install hard wired and
stop posting, noone else cares!
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The best tool to tell the alarm, any alarm, is your body and the setting
"Walk Test" that all current systems have installed as standard. It soon
tells you if the system is working or not.
What the fuck am I doing.........Aaahhhhhhh !!! I'm feeding the
Troll......Aaahhhhhhh !!! :-)
Paul, shut the fuck up. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:19 am Post subject:
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no matter how unreliable you think they are, there are many times when
you can absolutely not run wire, without defacing a property, such as
concrete luxury homes. Unless the client is the government, military,
or has unsually expensive items ($billions) in their home, no criminal
is going to go through trying to jam a wireless alarm, when there are
many other ways to disable it or any alarm, or get by it. ANY alarm can
be beaten, it is not a 100% security protection, NOTHING is. If you
really want to get into it, then maybe you should look at installing
some razor wire, double layors, with pits between them with spikes..
how about a mine field while your at it. Definately iron bars on the
windows and doors as well, steel doors. Heck the only thing Im missing
right now at my place is the razor wire (and the mine field), but thats
coming soon :-)) You should look at the outdoor motion sensors with a
relay to control some machine guns, like motin tracking (remember that
movie congo?). Ofcourse the criminal can simply dig a tunnel to get
around all of that though ... HA HA HA!! |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject:
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On 15 Jan 2005 19:19:46 -0800, rory@aspbahamas.com wrote:
| Quote: | no matter how unreliable you think they are, there are many times when
you can absolutely not run wire, without defacing a property, such as
concrete luxury homes.
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Its not that kind of considerations who increase the default
reliability of the wireless alarm systems. Its the radio wave signal
support principle who govern low reliability.
| Quote: | Unless the client is the government, military,
or has unsually expensive items ($billions) in their home, no criminal
is going to go through trying to jam a wireless alarm, when there are
many other ways to disable it or any alarm, or get by it.
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Wrong again, it not only the value of your belongings who guide you to
install an alarm system..
Do you really think that all the persons who install an alarm system
are rich? Wrong again.
| Quote: | ANY alarm can
be beaten, it is not a 100% security protection, NOTHING is. If you
really want to get into it, then maybe you should look at installing
some razor wire, double layors, with pits between them with spikes..
how about a mine field while your at it. Definately iron bars on the
windows and doors as well, steel doors. Heck the only thing Im missing
right now at my place is the razor wire (and the mine field), but thats
coming soon :-)) You should look at the outdoor motion sensors with a
relay to control some machine guns, like motin tracking (remember that
movie congo?). Ofcourse the criminal can simply dig a tunnel to get
around all of that though ... HA HA HA!!
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Stupid reaction once more. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject:
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Professional say they have experiance and feeling!
RFI probe
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That is even not the prefered image pro's give from themself, they
called alarm installers idiots, stupid, monkeys, imbeciles, morons,
BULL SHIT... |
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