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Chuck Harris
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Wed May 11, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
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Thanks. I finally got on, and d/l'd the .PDF, almost 2.5 megs. I saw
that it has some gotchas. Like it has a CMOS mem backup battery, which
can go bad or leak. I haven't had a chance to look at the parts list
but hopefully it's a lithium, which don't seem to get thegrunge like
some old batteries. Back in the late '80s we upgraded over 300 ATs with
386 MoBos, and I used to pull off the Varta mem backup batteries that
were on the old 286 MoBos and I put 'em in a cardboard box in a
cupboard. Later, the whole bottom of the box turned brown from the
leakage and I had to almost treat them as toxic waste.
The 3478A that I bid on looke a bit beat up in the pic. I'm hoping that
the thing's in working order. I haven't yet heard from the company,
which is supposed to contact me in two business days. I'll have to
contct them tomorrows.
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It looked to me like it had one nick on the bezel, but the rest was sticker
grunge. Sticker grunge comes off nicely with lighter fluid (VM&P Naptha).
Mine cleaned up and looks like new... There were 6 or 7 stickers on it.
The battery is a very long life nonrechargable lithium. I think it will
be just fine.
If you paid Tucker by paypal or bidpay, you will probably find the instrument
is at your door. I received no contact from them, and after 3 days I got
curious, and emailed them. I got the package, and then I got the reply.
-Chuck
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Chuck Harris
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Wed May 11, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | That didn't work, so I added www.logsa.army.mil. I got time out error
on that, tho. I tried again just now, and again got a timeout error.
Looks like they're blocking me, and I'll never be able to access that
website.
click on the icon for test and equiptment publications, accept their
"terms" (believe me, you have a right to be there!), and enter a title
search on "3478A" (caps are important!) And there it will be.
It appears to be the standard HP manual.
Looks like I'm stuck with buying one. I've seen some on CD-R, for
cheap. I wonder how good or bad the image quality is.
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I suppose, that this being a binaries group, I could post the manual for
you.
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HP sold a hpib controlled relay actuator, HP59306A. It usually goes
for
spit on ebay. It is simple to program, and makes these kind of chores
easy.
I found a few on Ebay for anywhere from $15 to almost $200. I checked
out a pic of one, and it looks like it is connected to the outside world
with a GPIB or HPIB cable. I don't have one of those and from what I've
seen they cost major money new, and they're uncommon in the used or
surplus world.
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I presumed that, if you were planning on using your new 3478A as part of
the automation rig, you would be using HPIB.
I designed an HPIB controlled relay driver as part of the gear I automated
for my thesis. It uses a few TTL chips. I can post that if you'd like.
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I suppose that the thing can be actuated manually. But then I've
already got the rotary switch that I mickey moused, which works to a
certain point. And I feel real confident about its simplicty and
operation.
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Yes, but that is hardly what I would call automation.
-Chuck |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Thu May 12, 2005 7:18 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:et-dnSf5K4sUZBzfRVn-og@rcn.net...
| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
That didn't work, so I added www.logsa.army.mil. I got time out
error
on that, tho. I tried again just now, and again got a timeout
error.
Looks like they're blocking me, and I'll never be able to access
that
website.
click on the icon for test and equiptment publications, accept their
"terms" (believe me, you have a right to be there!), and enter a
title
search on "3478A" (caps are important!) And there it will be.
It appears to be the standard HP manual.
Looks like I'm stuck with buying one. I've seen some on CD-R, for
cheap. I wonder how good or bad the image quality is.
I suppose, that this being a binaries group, I could post the manual
for
you.
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I finally got it d/l'd and posted a followup. The d/l is a standard
Army Technical Manual. No problemo, it does have the schems and PCB
layout in the back.
| Quote: | HP sold a hpib controlled relay actuator, HP59306A. It usually goes
for
spit on ebay. It is simple to program, and makes these kind of
chores
easy.
I found a few on Ebay for anywhere from $15 to almost $200. I
checked
out a pic of one, and it looks like it is connected to the outside
world
with a GPIB or HPIB cable. I don't have one of those and from what
I've
seen they cost major money new, and they're uncommon in the used or
surplus world.
I presumed that, if you were planning on using your new 3478A as part
of
the automation rig, you would be using HPIB.
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No automation rig, just the 3478A and something else to switch the probe
leads.
| Quote: | I designed an HPIB controlled relay driver as part of the gear I
automated
for my thesis. It uses a few TTL chips. I can post that if you'd
like. |
I found a "Kelvin Clips" 4-wire probes on Ebay, it's more than what I
paid for the 3478A! Eighty-five bucks! And that's the cheaper one!
My guess is that a couple GPIB cables will go for over a hundred total,
so I really don't see that I'm gonna save a lot by making my own GPIB
stuff. I would just as well buy a used setup if I wanted to do that
much automation. I think for now the rotary switch is as far as I need
to go.
| Quote: | I suppose that the thing can be actuated manually. But then I've
already got the rotary switch that I mickey moused, which works to a
certain point. And I feel real confident about its simplicty and
operation.
Yes, but that is hardly what I would call automation.
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I'm not really looking for automation, I'm looking for not having to
hold the probes at a half dozen test points and change them around a
half dozen times when I make an adjustment with a pot ot two, for
esample. I think some people probably just buy a half dozen ten dollar
DMMs and connect them up to the various test points. But they aren't
all that accurate ($10 DMMs have an AC range that's 200VAC, no lower),
and the batteries run down after several hours. I'd rather use a bench
DMM that I can leave on for awhile until the circuit reaches thermal
equilibrium, for example.
I have a couple wiggle stick D'arsonval meters that I use for current
measurements, and they work okay, and take no power. But one, for
example, has a full-scale reading of 15 mA, but it has an internal
resistance of 8 ohms. And that resistance in series with the supply can
distort the performance of the circuit. So I would rather put a 0.1 ohm
resistor in series with the supply lead, and then use a sensitive DVM to
get the current thru it. I suppose that I could put an opamp with a
couple precision resistors across the current resistor to give it a gain
of 10 or 100. That way, I could use a cheap DVM to do the measurement.
But I would need 2 or 3 or 4 of these to measure the current at various
points, so it looks like the whole measurement jig starts to get too
complicated. And then there's the problem with isolating the measuring
circuits from the circuit being measured.
One example that I've run into is when I measure the current draw of a
circuit. I break the + lead and insert the DMM, and get 90mA. But when
I reconnect the circuit without the DMM, it's drawing more current, like
100mA, and putting out more power. The DC resistance of the DMM is
disturbing the circuit. So I would rather leave a low value current
sensing resistor in the + supply lead permanently so the readings don't
change with every measurement change.
Thanks for putting up with my ramblings. But these are real world
problems for which I'm trying to find solutions.
> -Chuck
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Thu May 12, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
Thanks. I finally got on, and d/l'd the .PDF, almost 2.5 megs. I
saw
that it has some gotchas. Like it has a CMOS mem backup battery,
which
can go bad or leak. I haven't had a chance to look at the parts
list
but hopefully it's a lithium, which don't seem to get thegrunge like
some old batteries. Back in the late '80s we upgraded over 300 ATs
with
386 MoBos, and I used to pull off the Varta mem backup batteries
that
were on the old 286 MoBos and I put 'em in a cardboard box in a
cupboard. Later, the whole bottom of the box turned brown from the
leakage and I had to almost treat them as toxic waste.
The 3478A that I bid on looke a bit beat up in the pic. I'm hoping
that
the thing's in working order. I haven't yet heard from the company,
which is supposed to contact me in two business days. I'll have to
contct them tomorrows.
It looked to me like it had one nick on the bezel, but the rest was
sticker
grunge. Sticker grunge comes off nicely with lighter fluid (VM&P
Naptha).
Mine cleaned up and looks like new... There were 6 or 7 stickers on
it.
The battery is a very long life nonrechargable lithium. I think it
will
be just fine.
If you paid Tucker by paypal or bidpay, you will probably find the
instrument
is at your door. I received no contact from them, and after 3 days I
got
curious, and emailed them. I got the package, and then I got the
reply. |
Well, the auction said that if the buyer is in Tx or Calif or ?? that
they had to wait to be contacted within two business days for the final
cost, apparently because of sales tax. So I still haven't heard from
them as of this afternoon, so I guess I'll have to rattle their cage
with an email.
What's odd is that the prices are so variable. I see one go for a
hundred, another for two hundred, another for one fifty, etc. etc. I'm
wondering if the buyers know something that I don't. Like with the Tek
2235(?) scopes there is one custom chip that often dies, and it's no
longer available, so the only way is to cannibalize to get one. Or if
you're wise, don't buy the scope to begin with. Or if you bought it,
then sell it for parts. I'm concerned that I might have bought a turkey
and I'll never know it.
> -Chuck |
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Chuck Harris
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Thu May 12, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
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Well, the auction said that if the buyer is in Tx or Calif or ?? that
they had to wait to be contacted within two business days for the final
cost, apparently because of sales tax. So I still haven't heard from
them as of this afternoon, so I guess I'll have to rattle their cage
with an email.
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Just pay them using paypal. Include the CA sales tax, if you want. Your
calculator works as well as theirs. Note, you probably don't need to tax
your shipping cost.
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What's odd is that the prices are so variable. I see one go for a
hundred, another for two hundred, another for one fifty, etc. etc. I'm
wondering if the buyers know something that I don't. Like with the Tek
2235(?) scopes
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2465
there is one custom chip that often dies, and it's no
| Quote: | longer available, so the only way is to cannibalize to get one.
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The 2465 is my hands down all time favorite o'scope. The problem with the
horizontal chip that blows is they let it dissipate just a tiny bit too
much power for its lack of a heatsink. If the scope gets hot, usually because
it is choked up with hair and dust, the chip dies. The easy answer is if
you get a good one, add a heatsink to that chip. I did a simple thermal
study of my 2465, and found that that one chip runs 10F hotter than all
the rest. After the heatsink, it runs cooler.
Or if
| Quote: | you're wise, don't buy the scope to begin with. Or if you bought it,
then sell it for parts. I'm concerned that I might have bought a turkey
and I'll never know it.
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Consider this, most people are so ignorant about how to use computers that
when they finally figure out how to use a service like ebay, they still
are clueless about how to use the search function. So, what they do is haunt
the catagory that has their kind of stuff, and look through the listings that
come in every day. I am quite sure that some of these guys that are bidding
up one 3478A don't even know that there are others up for auction.
-Chuck |
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Gary Schafer
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Thu May 12, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:18:56 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:et-dnSf5K4sUZBzfRVn-og@rcn.net...
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
That didn't work, so I added www.logsa.army.mil. I got time out
error
on that, tho. I tried again just now, and again got a timeout
error.
Looks like they're blocking me, and I'll never be able to access
that
website.
click on the icon for test and equiptment publications, accept their
"terms" (believe me, you have a right to be there!), and enter a
title
search on "3478A" (caps are important!) And there it will be.
It appears to be the standard HP manual.
Looks like I'm stuck with buying one. I've seen some on CD-R, for
cheap. I wonder how good or bad the image quality is.
I suppose, that this being a binaries group, I could post the manual
for
you.
I finally got it d/l'd and posted a followup. The d/l is a standard
Army Technical Manual. No problemo, it does have the schems and PCB
layout in the back.
HP sold a hpib controlled relay actuator, HP59306A. It usually goes
for
spit on ebay. It is simple to program, and makes these kind of
chores
easy.
I found a few on Ebay for anywhere from $15 to almost $200. I
checked
out a pic of one, and it looks like it is connected to the outside
world
with a GPIB or HPIB cable. I don't have one of those and from what
I've
seen they cost major money new, and they're uncommon in the used or
surplus world.
I presumed that, if you were planning on using your new 3478A as part
of
the automation rig, you would be using HPIB.
No automation rig, just the 3478A and something else to switch the probe
leads.
I designed an HPIB controlled relay driver as part of the gear I
automated
for my thesis. It uses a few TTL chips. I can post that if you'd
like.
I found a "Kelvin Clips" 4-wire probes on Ebay, it's more than what I
paid for the 3478A! Eighty-five bucks! And that's the cheaper one!
My guess is that a couple GPIB cables will go for over a hundred total,
so I really don't see that I'm gonna save a lot by making my own GPIB
stuff. I would just as well buy a used setup if I wanted to do that
much automation. I think for now the rotary switch is as far as I need
to go.
I suppose that the thing can be actuated manually. But then I've
already got the rotary switch that I mickey moused, which works to a
certain point. And I feel real confident about its simplicty and
operation.
Yes, but that is hardly what I would call automation.
I'm not really looking for automation, I'm looking for not having to
hold the probes at a half dozen test points and change them around a
half dozen times when I make an adjustment with a pot ot two, for
esample. I think some people probably just buy a half dozen ten dollar
DMMs and connect them up to the various test points. But they aren't
all that accurate ($10 DMMs have an AC range that's 200VAC, no lower),
and the batteries run down after several hours. I'd rather use a bench
DMM that I can leave on for awhile until the circuit reaches thermal
equilibrium, for example.
I have a couple wiggle stick D'arsonval meters that I use for current
measurements, and they work okay, and take no power. But one, for
example, has a full-scale reading of 15 mA, but it has an internal
resistance of 8 ohms. And that resistance in series with the supply can
distort the performance of the circuit. So I would rather put a 0.1 ohm
resistor in series with the supply lead, and then use a sensitive DVM to
get the current thru it. I suppose that I could put an opamp with a
couple precision resistors across the current resistor to give it a gain
of 10 or 100. That way, I could use a cheap DVM to do the measurement.
But I would need 2 or 3 or 4 of these to measure the current at various
points, so it looks like the whole measurement jig starts to get too
complicated. And then there's the problem with isolating the measuring
circuits from the circuit being measured.
One example that I've run into is when I measure the current draw of a
circuit. I break the + lead and insert the DMM, and get 90mA. But when
I reconnect the circuit without the DMM, it's drawing more current, like
100mA, and putting out more power. The DC resistance of the DMM is
disturbing the circuit. So I would rather leave a low value current
sensing resistor in the + supply lead permanently so the readings don't
change with every measurement change.
Thanks for putting up with my ramblings. But these are real world
problems for which I'm trying to find solutions.
-Chuck
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It is a problem when trying to measure current with a dvm. The more
sensitive the scale the more resistance the meter has. It can throw
things way off as you have noted.
I don't know how accurate you are trying to measure but also be aware
that the kind of material in your connections will make a difference
too. For example if you use steel alligator clips to a copper
connection it can generate a small galvanic voltage at the junction.
That will distort your reading. I ran into that when trying to
calibrate some meters. My readings were different every time I hooked
things up. Finally figured out it was the connections. Changed them
and things were then stable.
Be careful of the switch that you are using to switch the meter from
circuit to circuit with. Any poor contacts can have a big effect on
accuracy too.
Regards
Gary K4FMX |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Fri May 13, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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"Gary Schafer" <gaschafer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:18:56 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | It is a problem when trying to measure current with a dvm. The more
sensitive the scale the more resistance the meter has. It can throw
things way off as you have noted.
I don't know how accurate you are trying to measure but also be aware
that the kind of material in your connections will make a difference
too. For example if you use steel alligator clips to a copper
connection it can generate a small galvanic voltage at the junction.
That will distort your reading. I ran into that when trying to
calibrate some meters. My readings were different every time I hooked
things up. Finally figured out it was the connections. Changed them
and things were then stable.
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The guy who sells those Kelvin Clips on Ebay for $85 says they're gold
plated contacts. I think I will make up a mickey mouse pair out of a
pair of clothespins. I used them for a button cell holder. I drilled a
hole thru the jaws and put two #2 screws in the holes. I filed the
heads somewhat flat to make good contact. I can use brass screws to
minimize the galvanic action. Or I could put a length of heavy copper
wire thru a pair of holes and really minimize it. I gather that it's
not a good idea to use solder because it's also a bimetallic junction.
I have some flexible 5-wire cable that should make a good test lead.
| Quote: | Be careful of the switch that you are using to switch the meter from
circuit to circuit with. Any poor contacts can have a big effect on
accuracy too.
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I had to squirt contact cleaner in the switches of the 30+ yr old PSes
that I got. But I'm not really worried about accuracy. I just want to
get something together that'll allow me to monitor a few points for V
and I and allow me to calculate power in, power out and efficiency.
| Quote: | Regards
Gary K4FMX |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Fri May 13, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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"Gary Schafer" <gaschafer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:18:56 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | "Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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I just wanna let people know what's going on with these seemingly
clueless people at teoutlet (Tucker).
I won the bid on the 3478A, and as the instructions in the bid said, I
waited for two days for them to contact me. Well, I didn't hear from
them, so on the third day I did "ask seller a for the total price" and
they replied back that it was $75 plus $16 shipping, total $91. So I
paypaled them $91.
Then I get back this message that they have a sales presence in Calif so
they have to charge me 7.75% tax. So please send them $7.05. Well,
DUH! They said exactly that in the auction, and that's why I waited for
them to contact me with the total price. And when I asked them for the
total price they told me $91 total, no tax. So why didn't they say so
then, instead of after I paypaled them? Duh.
But then I figured out that they were charging me $7.05 tax on both the
item and shipping. So I replied to them that the shipping wasn't
taxable and that I would paypal them 7.75% of the $75, or $5.81 if that
was acceptable. So I expect to get a reply back tomorrow with the
correct amount. But then one never knows since they have been nearly
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Winfield Hill
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Fri May 13, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject:
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote...
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... But then one never knows since they have been nearly
clueless up to this point. :-?
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Sheesh! I have done over 2000 eBay transactions and have met
many clueless eBay sellers. But what you describe above hardly
fits the definition of clueless, as I have come to know it.
In point of fact, Tucker is one of the better eBay sellers.
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Thanks,
- Win |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote...
... But then one never knows since they have been nearly
clueless up to this point. :-?
Sheesh! I have done over 2000 eBay transactions and have met
many clueless eBay sellers. But what you describe above hardly
fits the definition of clueless, as I have come to know it.
In point of fact, Tucker is one of the better eBay sellers.
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I'll have to agree with that. The last transaction I did, the ol' HP721
(like the one you bid on and won) came with a bad main filter cap (it's
probably 40 yrs old). It took me three emails just to get the seller
(obviously trying to avoid responsibility) to reply back, and more than
a half dozen to resolve it (I got a partial refund).
And then there are the outright liars that I've had to deal with. The
Consumer Sentinel http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel/ says auction fraud
is their largest complaint category, with 1/6 of all complaints.
http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel/2004%20Reports/sentinel%20top%20complai
nt%20categories.pdf
Indeed, I've had to deal with several bad sellers, and I've only done a
few score transctions. Sad, really.
I've read that you should run, don't walk, away from a seller that has a
feedback rating of below 98%. But I've found that reading the bad
feedbacks gives an insight into the mindset and attitude, bad or good,
of the seller.
One burning question is, what do I do if Tucker insists that I pay taxes
on the shipping? Do I pay it and file a complaint with ebay? Or not
pay it, and hold up the tranaction? Ooh, today is Friday the
Thirteenth. Ominous. I hope it's not going to be that bad...
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Chuck Harris
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | One burning question is, what do I do if Tucker insists that I pay taxes
on the shipping? Do I pay it and file a complaint with ebay? Or not
pay it, and hold up the tranaction? Ooh, today is Friday the
Thirteenth. Ominous. I hope it's not going to be that bad...
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First off, I don't think they will. If you don't get satisfaction with a
simple email, call them. They are good folk. I don't like the quality of
their repair work, but they go out of their way to please.
In the event that they are having a bad day, and they insist on taxing the
shipping, pay it. We are only talking about $0.30. They have done a hell
of a lot for your $95. You are getting a tested instrument, a foamed-in-place
box, and a copy of the operators manual. Look at what the others are giving
you for 50% to 150% more.
Tucker is a very respected, well known entity; that is why I made a point of
aiming you at that auction. It worked just the way I hoped it would.
Smile, be happy.
-Chuck |
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David DiGiacomo
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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Hosfelt Electronics sells Mueller Kelvin clips for $7.50 each, item #
52-75K. I guess they must be available from other Mueller distributors
also. They have copper contacts.
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David DiGiacomo, San Francisco, CA david@slack.com |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
One burning question is, what do I do if Tucker insists that I pay
taxes
on the shipping? Do I pay it and file a complaint with ebay? Or
not
pay it, and hold up the tranaction? Ooh, today is Friday the
Thirteenth. Ominous. I hope it's not going to be that bad...
First off, I don't think they will. If you don't get satisfaction
with a
simple email, call them. They are good folk. I don't like the
quality of
their repair work, but they go out of their way to please.
In the event that they are having a bad day, and they insist on taxing
the
shipping, pay it. We are only talking about $0.30. They have done a
hell
of a lot for your $95. You are getting a tested instrument, a
foamed-in-place
box, and a copy of the operators manual. Look at what the others are
giving
you for 50% to 150% more.
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More like a buck and a quarter. But I think that charging a tax on
non-taxable services is illegal. I didn't know that they had tested it,
or didn't get that from what the auction said, but that's reassuring.
However your comment below that "It worked just the way I hoped it
would" isn't very reassuring to me because I've had to jump thru so many
hoops so far and I'm still not done with the transaction. Just think
about this: I'm dealing with less than a hundred, but just imagine what
kind of knot the guy has in his stomach who is buying a $4000 or more
instrument from them! He must feel like a pretzel!
| Quote: | Tucker is a very respected, well known entity; that is why I made a
point of
aiming you at that auction. It worked just the way I hoped it would.
Smile, be happy.
-Chuck |
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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
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Sat May 14, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Kelvin clips (was Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM) |
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"David DiGiacomo" <david@slack.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hosfelt Electronics sells Mueller Kelvin clips for $7.50 each, item #
52-75K. I guess they must be available from other Mueller
distributors
also. They have copper contacts.
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David DiGiacomo, San Francisco, CA david@slack.com
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Thanks. Last year I ordered some from either them or some other similar
electronics distrib, and they said they were out of stock with no date
for an ETA. So I cancelled. I think that the smaller dealers like
Hosfelt are ordering small quantities from another distrib and can't
possibly keep enough in stock, and neither can the distrib they're
ordering from. In other words, the supply can't possibly keep up with
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Chuck Harris
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Sun May 15, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
Re: In the Mkt for a HP Bench DMM |
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
| Quote: | More like a buck and a quarter. But I think that charging a tax on
non-taxable services is illegal. I didn't know that they had tested it,
or didn't get that from what the auction said, but that's reassuring.
However your comment below that "It worked just the way I hoped it
would" isn't very reassuring to me because I've had to jump thru so many
hoops so far and I'm still not done with the transaction. Just think
about this: I'm dealing with less than a hundred, but just imagine what
kind of knot the guy has in his stomach who is buying a $4000 or more
instrument from them! He must feel like a pretzel!
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Nah! Tucker has been around for 40 years. They aren't going to try
and blow their reputation over a $100 sale. The hoops you have been
subjected to are minor clerical errors. $1.25 surely isn't going to
sour this deal for you. You could have paid $250 for the same DMM
and taken the same risk...
I'll repeat myself:
| Quote: | Tucker is a very respected, well known entity; that is why I made a
point of
aiming you at that auction. It worked just the way I hoped it would.
Smile, be happy.
-Chuck |
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