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Richard L. Hamilton
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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In article <d4o6m1$hp0$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> writes:
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"Dave" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:426f7e22@212.67.96.135...
I quite like Solaris so that in itself is no reason to "avoiding Solaris
whenever possible". I might be a case to not use Solaris in this
instance, but that is a very different issue.
heh -
I hate Solaris, but OK, that is an irrational grudge from all the way back
from SUNOS and all the known bugs they refused to fix Then "because one
should "upgrade" to Solaris - which at that time did not even have
functional *Tools* - all the better to extract $$$$$$ for the "Support
Contract".
SUN would be nice IF they grew a Brain, but they are still too moneyed for
that ;-)
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I wonder what part of the world you live in, that a company doesn't need
to make money to stay in business. Not that Sun has been doing so well
in that regard lately...
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Dave
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:04 am Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Clifford Heath wrote:
| Quote: | David Kirkby wrote:
Are there any freely available GPIB board drivers for Solaris using a
National Instruments PCI based GPIB board?
Have you considered modifying the Linux driver for Solaris?
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I doubt I have the knowledge. I know nothing about the inertals of Linux
, or writing Solaris drivers.
Sure a free Solaris driver would be nice, but if there is not one, and I
can't get one free, then I will use an old PC and probably OpenBSD, as
someone has written some code for OpenBSD that controls the instrument I
want, and will be doing with it what I want to do. |
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Casper H.S. Dik
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> writes:
| Quote: | There will be people kvetching about any decision a company makes,
regardless of what it is. Interesting that you still "have issues" with
Sun's decisions about SunOS 4 -> Solaris migration. Are there other
places in your life where you have trouble "letting go"?
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Yeah, I didn't want to go there. Blaming us for not fixing bugs in
SunOS 4.x how many years later?
Casper
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Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
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John Woodgate
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject:
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Casper H. S. Dik
<Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> wrote (in <4270af27$0$151$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>)
about 'GPIB board drivers for Solaris', on Thu, 28 Apr 2005:
| Quote: | Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
be fiction rather than truth.
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Actually very similar to gospel, then.
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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"Casper H.S. Dik" <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> wrote in message
news:4270af27$0$151$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
| Quote: | Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> writes:
There will be people kvetching about any decision a company makes,
regardless of what it is. Interesting that you still "have issues" with
Sun's decisions about SunOS 4 -> Solaris migration.
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Nah - it was not the decision per se, it was the overall aloof snottyness of
the SUN representatives which left a lasting impression; one still see
traces of that in the way a new Java VM happily breaks legacy applications
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places in your life where you have trouble "letting go"?
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that would be below the belt
| Quote: | Yeah, I didn't want to go there. Blaming us for not fixing bugs in
SunOS 4.x how many years later?
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I did not blame anyone - i merely, even using the word "Irrational",
described the source of my personal loathing of SUN products.
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Quite separate from even mentioning the curse of the clunky, unstable,
several revison backwards, (ptuii)windows nt ports of Popular Tools such as
Rose RT that are afflicted by Corporate onto poor developers forced to run
the niche SUN hardware - been *there* too! |
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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"Richard L. Hamilton" <Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net> wrote in
message news:116vuu3brril229@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | I wonder what part of the world you live in, that a company doesn't need
to make money to stay in business. Not that Sun has been doing so well
in that regard lately...
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Entirely not bad enough, apparantly:
Just a few months ago I wanted to License i.e. Pay Money For the SUN Java
Distributed Management Toolkit, so I emailed the sales support on the
corporate web page, being in Denmark and all one would need the local
representative.
Guess What - No Reply!!
Manking an *extreme* effort and looking up a local subsidiary, phoning the
guys, iterating through many departments whoms responsibility it was not and
finally "being called back".
Well, No Call Back, must not be worth the USD 5000. |
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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"Michael Vilain" <vilain@spamcop.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:vilain-FD2D04.11393927042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
| Quote: | In article <d4o6m1$hp0$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,
You obviously never worked for a company that viewed customers as
revenue streams or had to make a profit.
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Obviously a very sweeping conclusion based on little information ...
This is fine as far as it goes and gives the MBA's an opportunity to spout
new verbiage on powerpoint and sound reel klever:
However The attitude it goes too far when it goes like this:
Customer: "We think there is a problem with your product, I need these
issues solved",
<long list of reproducible bugs - some with workarounds>
Business: "you need to upgrade to the next version of our $$$Product",
Customer: "fine, but before I do that, I need to know if that will solve
those issues, I just reported to you"
Business: "We can't tell you unless you also buy a Support Contract"..
Customer: "Will I get a refund, If you lie?"
Business: "Could I have your credit card number"
Customer: "Go #¤%& yourself"
| Quote: | Sun's decisions about SunOS 4 -> Solaris migration. Are there other
places in your life where you have trouble "letting go"?
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Sure: Borland C++ was ejected on pretty much the same script way back in
Ver. 4.1.
... and never missed. |
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Richard L. Hamilton
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Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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In article <d4qi35$ra3$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> writes:
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"Richard L. Hamilton" <Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net> wrote in
message news:116vuu3brril229@corp.supernews.com...
I wonder what part of the world you live in, that a company doesn't need
to make money to stay in business. Not that Sun has been doing so well
in that regard lately...
Entirely not bad enough, apparantly:
Just a few months ago I wanted to License i.e. Pay Money For the SUN Java
Distributed Management Toolkit, so I emailed the sales support on the
corporate web page, being in Denmark and all one would need the local
representative.
Guess What - No Reply!!
Manking an *extreme* effort and looking up a local subsidiary, phoning the
guys, iterating through many departments whoms responsibility it was not and
finally "being called back".
Well, No Call Back, must not be worth the USD 5000.
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No wonder they're not doing well if they won't even take your money...
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hubcap
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Thu May 19, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> writes:
| Quote: | I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
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There was a General Purpose Interface Bus adaptor on my 1982 GRiD
laptop. Right next to the connection for the paper-tape reader <g>...
-Mike |
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Paul S. Brown
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
| Quote: | Steven Hill <news@waroffice.net> writes:
I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
GPIB is "general purpose interface bus" (check
e.g. http://www.microlink.co.uk/gpib.html), but it seems it failed to
propagate as it is not very well known today...
Formerly HPIB, which is *very* well known in lab equipemnt circles, or
anything decent and old with either a Hewlett-Packard of Agilent
Technologies badge on it.
I know. In my student days (or thereabouts), I was writing/maintaining
some code for driving this stuff. But what I am saying is that e.g.
everybody knows about RS232/432, USB, Centronics, ..., but GPIB is not in
that category ...
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If it's IEE488 then it's the same as the User port that Commodore
VIC20/C64/C128/Plus4 all had. Time was when there was a *lot* of hobbyist
support for it, but it's unfortunatley getting far enough into the past now
that everybody's forgetting it ever existed.
P. |
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Joe Soap
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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In response to what Stuart Biggar <sbiggar@email.arizona.edu> posted in
news:FH1je.9200$Ri4.3735@okepread07:
| Quote: | Casper H.S. Dik wrote:
I would like to see Sun lobby NI for support of X86 Solaris for at
least their PCI-GPIB boards and the GPIB-Enet (Ethernet to GPIB)
boxes. I've made telephone and written requests without even an
answer ...
I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
Casper
GPIB is IEEE-488. It is an 8-bit parallel bus with good handshaking
and reasonable performance (for the time). It is used in high-end
electronic test equipment and such. It allowed for multiple
instruments on a single, well shielded bus. Connectors stack for
either star or daisy chain type connections. HP (now Agilent) used it
for any high end instrument. We use it for connecting precision
digital voltmeters and sources in an optics lab. These instruments
have ONLY a GPIB interface. Some of the lower end HP (now Agilent)
instruments have serial and GPIB interfaces but the most accurate
(quite expensive) DVMs from Agilent have ONLY GPIB. I think the same
is true of other test and measurement equipment manufacturers.
As an aside, the Agilent web site had a doc stating that serial
should never be used for data collection on Windows as the Windows
serial driver was flawed for flow control. The doc (which was there
6 months ago) suggested using GPIB on Windows if reliable data
transfer was required.
In the old days, HP used GPIB for all sorts of things - they had
GPIB connected disks for some old computers. In some ways it was
similar to old 8-bit SCSI :-)
Since NI supports Solaris SPARC, it would seem that Solaris x86
support would be possible. Especially for the GPIB-Enet devices which
use ethernet for communication with the computer.
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I used to run a compny that made IEEE488(GPIB) controllers that are
controlled by an RS232 serial link.
I still have enough bits to make a few more, if anyone is interested.
I expect this address to get saturated with spam soon, at which time I
shall kill it off: qnbloao02@sneakemail.com
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Joerg Schilling
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
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In article <lmekc3tkhd.fsf@privacy.net>,
Dragan Cvetkovic <dragan_news@gmx.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> writes:
I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
GPIB is "general purpose interface bus" (check
e.g. http://www.microlink.co.uk/gpib.html), but it seems it failed to
propagate as it is not very well known today...
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GPIB is IEEE-488, a more than 30 year old invention from HP.
It has been developed mainly for automated tests systems.
There are e.g. meters, power supplies and similar that may be
controled via IEEE-488
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Stuart Biggar
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Casper H.S. Dik wrote:
| Quote: | I would like to see Sun lobby NI for support of X86 Solaris for at
least their PCI-GPIB boards and the GPIB-Enet (Ethernet to GPIB)
boxes. I've made telephone and written requests without even an
answer ...
I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
Casper
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GPIB is IEEE-488. It is an 8-bit parallel bus with good handshaking
and reasonable performance (for the time). It is used in high-end
electronic test equipment and such. It allowed for multiple instruments
on a single, well shielded bus. Connectors stack for either star or
daisy chain type connections. HP (now Agilent) used it for any high end
instrument. We use it for connecting precision digital voltmeters
and sources in an optics lab. These instruments have ONLY a GPIB
interface. Some of the lower end HP (now Agilent) instruments have
serial and GPIB interfaces but the most accurate (quite expensive)
DVMs from Agilent have ONLY GPIB. I think the same is true of other
test and measurement equipment manufacturers.
As an aside, the Agilent web site had a doc stating that serial
should never be used for data collection on Windows as the Windows
serial driver was flawed for flow control. The doc (which was there
6 months ago) suggested using GPIB on Windows if reliable data transfer
was required.
In the old days, HP used GPIB for all sorts of things - they had
GPIB connected disks for some old computers. In some ways it was
similar to old 8-bit SCSI :-)
Since NI supports Solaris SPARC, it would seem that Solaris x86 support
would be possible. Especially for the GPIB-Enet devices which use
ethernet for communication with the computer.
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Michael Vilain
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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In article <428c8bef$0$64598$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@Sun.COM> wrote:
| Quote: | Stuart Biggar <sbiggar@email.arizona.edu> writes:
NI provides drivers for Windows and Linux and OS/X for free and
charges for Solaris (SPARC only) and a couple of other UNIX variants.
We use some of the NI GPIB-Ethernet devices in our optics lab.
Our software runs on SPARCs and hardware/software drivers have been
good under Solaris without the "fun" bluescreen crashes with Windows
(NT and later 2000) using the same software (Windows drivers from NI).
Later Windows drivers appear better (but not perfect). So maybe you
get what you pay for :-)
I would like to see Sun lobby NI for support of X86 Solaris for at
least their PCI-GPIB boards and the GPIB-Enet (Ethernet to GPIB)
boxes. I've made telephone and written requests without even an
answer ...
I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
Casper
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I recall HPIB back in the 1980's. I think that's what the OP is
referring to because Googling for HPIB give hits for GPIB as well as
HPIB boards. This was used for data acquisition equipment and had it
own bus.
http://www.home.agilent.com/USeng/nav/-536897065.536881832/pd.html
http://www.answers.com/GPIB
http://www.answers.com/topic/hpib
I think the OP is blowing smoke out their ears because they expect this
to be free and SUN hasn't really pursued this "market", focusing on
general purpose computing rather than workstations and lab automation.
Expectations are a strange thing. They make people behave irrationally
or illogically sometimes. I guess if the OP wants to run Solaris, they
need to pony up the bucks for the drivers or move to another platform.
[These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move on.]
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Dragan Cvetkovic
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Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject:
Re: GPIB board drivers for Solaris |
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Steven Hill <news@waroffice.net> writes:
| Quote: | I don't even know what GPIB is :-) but perhaps this is screaming
for some generic "Windows driver wrapper" for Solaris/x86.
GPIB is "general purpose interface bus" (check
e.g. http://www.microlink.co.uk/gpib.html), but it seems it failed to
propagate as it is not very well known today...
Formerly HPIB, which is *very* well known in lab equipemnt circles, or
anything decent and old with either a Hewlett-Packard of Agilent
Technologies badge on it.
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I know. In my student days (or thereabouts), I was writing/maintaining some
code for driving this stuff. But what I am saying is that e.g. everybody
knows about RS232/432, USB, Centronics, ..., but GPIB is not in that
category ...
Dragan
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