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Dave Baker
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:21 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:45:40 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Spehro Pefhany wrote:
But, you see, old chap, being forced to pay $70/hour for $5 or
$10/work would really cut into the business of others. That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Erecting trade walls around a country is believed to cause really
serious problems in the long run. Cutting you loose is just the lesser
of two evils.
No doubt, but as I recall, you too are engaged in the engineering field.
What do you plan to do to steel yourself from forced retirement?
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I moved to Asia. All these people need training! :-)
Not to mention that you can live quite well here on US$10/hour.
Dave
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:32 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:21:35 +0800, the renowned Dave Baker
<newsgroup_poster@jodael.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:45:40 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
But, you see, old chap, being forced to pay $70/hour for $5 or
$10/work would really cut into the business of others. That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Erecting trade walls around a country is believed to cause really
serious problems in the long run. Cutting you loose is just the lesser
of two evils.
No doubt, but as I recall, you too are engaged in the engineering field.
What do you plan to do to steel yourself from forced retirement?
I moved to Asia. All these people need training! :-)
Not to mention that you can live quite well here on US$10/hour.
Dave
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Malaysia? Nice country.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Cliff
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:59:05 -0500, Chuck Harris
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| Quote: | Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:37:52 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
What do you have against free trade republicans?
Fascinating! The NAFTA and GATT laws that made this possible were the
spawn of the Clinton administration.
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Some neocons been whispering in your ear?
Bush-I did the first NAFTA, Bush-II expanded it.
"President Bush signed the NAFTA agreement on December 17, 1992"
"George W. Bush wants to expand NAFTA. He currently is negotiating a
Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement that will expand NAFTA to 34
Central and South American countries as soon as 2005."
Etc., etc., etc.
Bush-II is the one wanting to import slave labor at very low wages
from Mexico as well.
| Quote: | I have heard Bubba called a lot
of things, but never a republican.
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Sadly, Clinton was a conservative.
| Quote: | Looks like the neocons are outsourcing Hillery's
new helicopters (Marine one fleet of 23) too.
Hillary won't be getting one. They are part of the presidential fleet.
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Exactly my point <G>.
| Quote: | She may run for president in 2008, but she won't win.
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Looke like the neocons will have worn out the old fleet
(going on all those taxpayer-paid vacations) so she will
need a new one.
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Cliff
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Cliff
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
| Quote: | That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
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Most have moved to Canada where they can get Cuban sugar.
They still sell the candy in the US.
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Cliff |
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Cliff
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
| Quote: | There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.
Probably true.
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If you make over US$ 200,000 per year you got a huge
tax cut though.
Everyone else will happliy pay for it with their US$ 8/Hr jobs
and higher prices for energy, food & basic housing & local
tax hikes. Unless the Mexicans get their jobs. They already
make too much, right?
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Cliff |
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Simon Peacock
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject:
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well Capitalism is the best we have for the time being.. but its too short
sighted to consider everything said in the many comments following
Simon
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Simon Peacock wrote:
Don't you just love capitalism !!!
Simon
Why yes, I do.
But I also like having a better than a third world standard of
living. The only way I can compete against $10/hour folks in
Eastern block countries is in quality of service. But their
quality of service is rapidly improving, and it is really cutting
into my business.
There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.
We need to level the playing field, but I am not willing to do it
by lowering the standard of living I have earned through my very
hard work.
The guys in Belarus either need to start charging $70/hr, or we need
to levy $60/hour in duties and tariffs.
I refuse to get a job where I have to say, "Do you want fries with that?"
-Chuck Harris
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Cliff
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:13:14 +1300, "Simon Peacock"
<nowhere@to.be.found> wrote:
| Quote: | well Capitalism is the best we have for the time being.
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And India & China are beginning to do quite nicely
(in some sectors) with it.
OTOH It can be quite an ugly thing ..... do you really
want the roads sold off or the robber barons & company
towns & stores back?
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Dave Baker
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:32:53 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
| Quote: | I moved to Asia. All these people need training! :-)
Not to mention that you can live quite well here on US$10/hour.
Dave
Malaysia? Nice country.
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Yes, and it is. :-)
Dave
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Chuck Harris
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:
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Cliff wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
There is a rather big gulf between the standard of living they can
earn for $10 per hour in Belarus, and what I can get for $10
per hour in the US. They can live like the professional engineers
that they are for that money in Belarus. I would have to live
in a group house, like a checker at Walmart.
Probably true.
If you make over US$ 200,000 per year you got a huge
tax cut though.
Everyone else will happliy pay for it with their US$ 8/Hr jobs
and higher prices for energy, food & basic housing & local
tax hikes. Unless the Mexicans get their jobs. They already
make too much, right?
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One person making $200,000/year will pay in excess of $67,000 in taxes
to the Fed's alone.
One person making $8/hour, 16hours/day will pay at most $9000 per
year in Fed taxes.
All you socialists get your calculators out, and try and figure out
which one is paying for more of the Fed government's upkeep.
-Chuck |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 01:13:35 -0500, the renowned Cliff
<Clhuprich@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
That's why, for
example, candy manufacturers have abandoned the US in droves- they
can't get sugar (their main ingredient) at anything close to world
price, yet they have to compete directly against those who can.
Most have moved to Canada where they can get Cuban sugar.
They still sell the candy in the US.
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Nah. As a sugar exporter, Brazil is much more of a factor than Cuba-
by almost 10:1 in terms of metric tons per year (15,000 vs. 1,700).
Cuba represents only about 5% of world sugar exports. It's ALL the
massive subsidies and restrictive trade barriers.
Right now, unlike with goods, generally, there is world-wide free
trade in most types of *information*. It's particularly to the benefit
of post-industrial economies like the US, Canada and Western Europe to
keep things that way.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Michael
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | One person making $200,000/year will pay in excess of $67,000 in taxes
to the Fed's alone.
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anybody making $200k that pays $67k in taxes needs to fire his accountant
and get a better one |
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Chuck Harris
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject:
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Cliff wrote:
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Fascinating! The NAFTA and GATT laws that made this possible were the
spawn of the Clinton administration.
Some neocons been whispering in your ear?
Bush-I did the first NAFTA, Bush-II expanded it.
"President Bush signed the NAFTA agreement on December 17, 1992"
"George W. Bush wants to expand NAFTA. He currently is negotiating a
Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement that will expand NAFTA to 34
Central and South American countries as soon as 2005.
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GHW Bush started the process, Clinton pushed it through congress and
signed it into law:
"But Clinton’s real emphasis in foreign policy was on what could be called economic globalism. He believed that the
country’s
security and prosperity depended upon removing barriers to trade
with other nations and upon stabilizing nations with economic troubles.
Despite opposition from members of his own party, Clinton pushed
two major trade agreements through Congress in his first term:
the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), in 1993, and,
the following year, a global trade agreement that created
the World Trade Organization." - MSN Encarta
The organization we call GATT has been around since the '40s, but the
treaty that did all of the damage was Clinton's.
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Etc., etc., etc.
Bush-II is the one wanting to import slave labor at very low wages
from Mexico as well.
Hillary won't be getting one. They are part of the presidential fleet.
Exactly my point <G>.
She may run for president in 2008, but she won't win.
Looke like the neocons will have worn out the old fleet
(going on all those taxpayer-paid vacations) so she will
need a new one.
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You are making no sense!
-Chuck |
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Chuck Harris
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:
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Michael wrote:
| Quote: | One person making $200,000/year will pay in excess of $67,000 in taxes
to the Fed's alone.
anybody making $200k that pays $67k in taxes needs to fire his accountant
and get a better one
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You are imagining things! Clearly you have never been in this bracket.
-Chuck |
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Michael
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject:
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Michael wrote:
One person making $200,000/year will pay in excess of $67,000 in taxes
to the Fed's alone.
anybody making $200k that pays $67k in taxes needs to fire his
accountant
and get a better one
You are imagining things! Clearly you have never been in this bracket.
-Chuck
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according to the IRS, the MAXIMUM federal tax (no deductions of any kind)
due on an income of $200k is $53,030.
Like I said--fire your accountant |
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Misha
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject:
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The question is do enought own a North American car or do we have a foreign
car.
Hmmm which North American cars are made in the third world, what % of the
rest contain a majority of forign parts?
Personally, I drive a Chev Astro?
Do we own third world produced stuff (I DO), are we willing to pay ten or
twenty dollars for those dollar store items.
Either we all must accept these developments or we must try to buy from our
companies its not a pick (Buy 3rd world, limit outsourcing )and choose.
Are we going to choose not try to save $$$$ personally, not too likely.
Most of us are guilty, we should change, but will we?
:(
"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ogie Ogelthorpe wrote:
Boris Olesiyuk wrote:
Our hourly rate is $10. I can send developers' resumes on your
request. We will consider any suggestions of yours but long-term
collaboration is preferable. If you are interested in this offer
please feel free to contact me obb@tut.by.
Sorry to trouble if our proposal is not interesting for you.
Yours sincerely,
Boris Olesiyuk
Team Leader
Belasoft International FV
37-88 Skariny av., Minsk, Belarus, 220003
tel: +375 17 2848804
e-mail: obb@tut.by
ICQ: 76130091
Try www.elance.com
Ogie
In the US, for $10 per hour, you can eat, or live indoors but not
both.
We need to start applying duties and tariffs to this stuff.
It annoys me that I cannot get small runs of PC boards made here in
the US as cheaply, or as easily, as I can get them made by Olimex
in Bulgaria; yet they can ship to the US duty and tax free.
If anyone knows of a US PC house that provides the level of quality
and service of Olimex, I would like to know about it so I can switch.
-Chuck |
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