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habib bouaziz-viallet
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: POLY in ng-spice Reply with quote
Hi all,

POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even
spice3f5.

Any method to fix it ?

Thanks, Habib

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Stuart Brorson
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: POLY in ng-spice Reply with quote
habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:
: Hi all,

: POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even
: spice3f5.

: Any method to fix it ?

Please post your troublesome netlist and an accompanying session log.

Also, which version of ngspice are you using?

Stuart
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habib bouaziz-viallet
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: POLY in ng-spice Reply with quote
Le Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:40:55 +0000, Stuart Brorson a écrit :

Quote:
habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:
: Hi all,

: POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even
: spice3f5.

: Any method to fix it ?

Please post your troublesome netlist and an accompanying session log.

Also, which version of ngspice are you using?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

****************************
* Amplificateur Classe AB
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*----------
* ClasseAB
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*----------
* Modeles
*----------

**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL bd139 npn
+IS=1e-09 BF=222.664 NF=0.85 VAF=36.4079
+IKF=0.166126 ISE=5.03418e-09 NE=1.45313 BR=1.35467
+NR=1.33751 VAR=142.931 IKR=1.66126 ISC=5.02557e-09
+NC=3.10227 RB=26.9143 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.000472454 RC=1.04109 XTB=0.727762 XTI=1.04311
+EG=1.05 CJE=1e-11 VJE=0.75 MJE=0.33
+TF=1e-09 XTF=1 VTF=10 ITF=0.01
+CJC=1e-11 VJC=0.75 MJC=0.33 XCJC=0.9
+FC=0.5 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3

**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL bd140 pnp
+IS=1e-09 BF=650.842 NF=0.85 VAF=10
+IKF=0.0950125 ISE=1e-08 NE=1.54571 BR=56.177
+NR=1.5 VAR=2.11267 IKR=0.950125 ISC=1e-08
+NC=3.58527 RB=41.7566 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.108893
+RE=0.000347052 RC=1.32566 XTB=19.5239 XTI=1
+EG=1.05 CJE=1e-11 VJE=0.75 MJE=0.33
+TF=1e-09 XTF=1 VTF=10 ITF=0.01
+CJC=1e-11 VJC=0.75 MJC=0.33 XCJC=0.9
+FC=0.5 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3


**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL mj15001 npn
+IS=6.20736e-13 BF=72.8562 NF=0.85 VAF=46.3236
+IKF=6.14416 ISE=7.83886e-13 NE=2.02748 BR=0.804829
+NR=1.30329 VAR=463.236 IKR=0.765828 ISC=1e-16
+NC=2.89666 RB=9.15604 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.000662857 RC=0.199996 XTB=1.16721 XTI=1.03483
+EG=1.05 CJE=3.40278e-09 VJE=0.4 MJE=0.85
+TF=1e-08 XTF=169.758 VTF=1.74373 ITF=0.001
+CJC=5e-10 VJC=0.95 MJC=0.23 XCJC=0.795058
+FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Jan 25, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3


**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
*Commercial Use or Resale Restricted *
* by Symmetry License Agreement *
**************************************
* Model generated on Oct 30, 03
* MODEL FORMAT: SPICE3
..MODEL mje15035 pnp
+IS=5.81508e-15 BF=313.373 NF=0.85 VAF=40.5017
+IKF=0.897023 ISE=6.74258e-16 NE=1.04249 BR=0.958017
+NR=0.894461 VAR=148.639 IKR=7.05393 ISC=6.74258e-16
+NC=2.84461 RB=3.62039 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.000923293 RC=0.233799 XTB=2.92628 XTI=1.01325
+EG=1.17461 CJE=1.5597e-09 VJE=0.99 MJE=0.554057
+TF=1.35882e-09 XTF=1000 VTF=467.207 ITF=58.3338
+CJC=1.58888e-10 VJC=0.4 MJC=0.23 XCJC=0.786287
+FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1


**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
*Commercial Use or Resale Restricted *
* by Symmetry License Agreement *
**************************************
* Model generated on Oct 30, 03
* MODEL FORMAT: SPICE3
..MODEL mje15034 npn
+IS=3.92866e-12 BF=260.938 NF=1.02215 VAF=15.3399
+IKF=0.160087 ISE=1e-08 NE=2.54491 BR=26.0938
+NR=1.10885 VAR=153.399 IKR=1.60087 ISC=1e-08
+NC=1.89024 RB=0.41209 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.41209
+RE=0.0001 RC=0.208002 XTB=0.897431 XTI=1.39234
+EG=1.206 CJE=1.61534e-09 VJE=0.698417 MJE=0.382854
+TF=1.03079e-09 XTF=1000 VTF=100000 ITF=42.9041
+CJC=1.04458e-10 VJC=0.441587 MJC=0.23 XCJC=1
+FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1


**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL mj15002 pnp
+IS=7.55832e-10 BF=88.4698 NF=1.25256 VAF=10
+IKF=2.21504 ISE=3.90669e-13 NE=2.19714 BR=0.199155
+NR=1.5 VAR=100 IKR=1.95347 ISC=1e-16
+NC=2.68804 RB=4.64171 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.0128925 RC=0.0644624 XTB=2.05441 XTI=1
+EG=1.05 CJE=6.91132e-10 VJE=0.525683 MJE=0.384734
+TF=6.35722e-09 XTF=43.7456 VTF=2.08288 ITF=0.001
+CJC=4.82904e-10 VJC=0.95 MJC=0.394833 XCJC=0.80015
+FC=0.1 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Jan 25, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3

**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL bd179 npn
+IS=2.17735e-10 BF=87.3643 NF=1.21238 VAF=10
+IKF=5.92007 ISE=8.67187e-12 NE=3.34988 BR=3.54279
+NR=1.26704 VAR=1.60537 IKR=8.04318 ISC=2.88133e-13
+NC=3.98064 RB=15.3279 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.000912821 RC=0.254026 XTB=0.1 XTI=1
+EG=1.05012 CJE=5.51549e-08 VJE=0.591953 MJE=0.457535
+TF=1e-08 XTF=1.35722 VTF=0.995733 ITF=0.999983
+CJC=4.44061e-10 VJC=0.400133 MJC=0.410398 XCJC=0.803125
+FC=0.585759 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3


**************************************
* Model Generated by MODPEX *
*Copyright(c) Symmetry Design Systems*
* All Rights Reserved *
* UNPUBLISHED LICENSED SOFTWARE *
* Contains Proprietary Information *
* Which is The Property of *
* SYMMETRY OR ITS LICENSORS *
* Modeling services provided by *
* Interface Technologies www.i-t.com *
**************************************
..MODEL bd180 pnp
+IS=1.54382e-10 BF=133.079 NF=1.177 VAF=46.3848
+IKF=0.866463 ISE=8.61588e-12 NE=3.32575 BR=3.77404
+NR=1.23009 VAR=2.96403 IKR=4.72424 ISC=2.88134e-13
+NC=3.98064 RB=14.5966 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1
+RE=0.0153802 RC=0.210939 XTB=0.1 XTI=1.0095
+EG=1.05 CJE=5.02381e-08 VJE=0.605782 MJE=0.433555
+TF=1e-08 XTF=1.35722 VTF=0.995801 ITF=0.999972
+CJC=4.43982e-10 VJC=0.400099 MJC=0.410509 XCJC=0.803125
+FC=0.574605 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5
+TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1
* Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
* Model format: SPICE3

..MODEL 1N4148 D ( IS=222p RS=68.6m BV=75.0 IBV=1.00u
+ CJO=4.00p M=0.333 N=1.65 TT=5.76n )


* DEVICE = TL074
*
* non-inverting input
* | inverting input
* | | positive power supply
* | | | negative power supply
* | | | | |output
*
..subckt TL074 1 2 3 4 5
*
c1 11 12 4.8697E-12
c2 6 7 8.0000E-12
css 10 99 4.0063E-12
dc 5 53 dy
de 54 5 dy
dlp 90 91 dx
dln 92 90 dx
dp 4 3 dx
egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5
fb 7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 7E6 -1E3 1E3 6E6 -6E6
ga 6 0 11 12 457.42E-6
gcm 0 6 10 99 1.1293E-6
iss 3 10 dc 183.67E-6
ioff 0 6 dc .806E-6
hlim 90 0 vlim 1K
j1 11 2 10 jx1
j2 12 1 10 jx2
r2 6 9 100.00E3
rd1 4 11 2.1862E3
rd2 4 12 2.1862E3
ro1 8 5 10
ro2 7 99 10
rp 3 4 2.4728E3
rss 10 99 1.0889E6
vb 9 0 dc 0
vc 3 53 dc 1.5410
ve 54 4 dc .84403
vlim 7 8 dc 0
vlp 91 0 dc 119
vln 0 92 dc 119
..model dx D(Is=800.00E-18)
..model dy D(Is=800.00E-18 Rs=1m Cjo=10p)
..model jx1 PJF(Is=117.50E-15 Beta=1.1391E-3 Vto=-1)
..model jx2 PJF(Is=117.50E-15 Beta=1.1391E-3 Vto=-1)
..ends
* END MODEL TL074

*-------------
* Descriprion
*-------------

R_R30 9 20 100k
R_R40 2 20 10k
R_R1 4 9 470
X_U4 0 20 5 21 24 TL074
D_D5 6 25 1N4148
D_D6 25 19 1N4148
R_R13 0 19 1k
Q_Q5 11 19 22 bd140
R_R14 6 22 50
D_D1 11 17 1N4148
D_D2 17 5 1N4148
R_R7 12 16 470
R_R3 15 4 50
Q_Q1 16 11 15 bd139
R_R4 4 26 50
Q_Q4 14 5 26 bd140
R_R2 4 0 27
R_R15 0 3 1k
Q_Q7 5 3 13 bd139
Q_Q3 9 16 18 mje15035
R_R9 12 18 0.5
Q_Q2 9 14 7 mje15034
R_R10 7 8 0.5
R_R6 9 0 8
R_R8 14 8 470
D_D4 10 23 1N4148
R_R5 13 1 50
D_D3 3 10 1N4148

*---------
* Sources
*---------
V_V1 12 0 dc 36
V_V2 0 8 dc 36
V_V5 2 0 dc 0.0 ac 0.0 sin(0.0 1.0 1000 0 0)
V_V3 6 0 dc 10
V_V4 0 1 dc 10


..control
set filetype=ascii
..endc
..tran 0.0001 0.005 0
..op

..END



******
** ngspice-15 : Circuit level simulation program
** The U. C. Berkeley CAD Group
** Copyright 1985-1994, Regents of the University of California.
** Please submit bug-reports to: ngspice-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
** Creation Date: Wed Jan 26 11:55:36 CET 2005
******

Circuit: ****************************

ERROR in two2three_translate -- Argument to poly() is not an integer
Erreur de segmentation

I'm lost !

Habib

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Charles DH Williams
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: POLY in ng-spice Reply with quote
In article <pan.2005.01.27.08.44.26.26716@mynewserverposfix.com>,
habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:

Quote:
Le Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:40:55 +0000, Stuart Brorson a écrit :

habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:
: Hi all,

: POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even
: spice3f5.

: Any method to fix it ?

Please post your troublesome netlist and an accompanying session log.

Also, which version of ngspice are you using?

Stuart

The MacSpice transplation of the polys() is:
===============================================================
MacSpice 5 -> source Test

Circuit: test

Note -- MacSpice converts spice2 'polys' to spice3 'B' sources,
use 'listing physical expand' to inspect the result(s).
Note -- Line 2 spice2 'poly' source converted.
Note -- Line 3 spice2 'poly' source converted.
MacSpice 6 -> listing physical expand
test

1 : test
2 : *egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5
2 : bsp2_egnd 99 0 v=(0+v(3)*.5+v(4)*.5)
3 : *fb 7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 7e6 -1e3 1e3 6e6 -6e6
3 : bsp2_fb 7 99 i=(0+i(vb)*7e6+i(vc)*(-1e3)+i(ve)*1e3+i(vlp)*6e6+i(vln)*(-6e6))
------ : .end
MacSpice 7 ->
===============================================================

I suspect that the problem with ngspice is caused by using (,) as
separators which which confuse the ngspice tokeniser into thinking that
(3,0) is a single token. Try instead:

egnd 99 0 poly(2) 3 0 4 0 0 .5 .5

Charles
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betula electronique
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: POLY in ng-spice Reply with quote
Le Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:12 +0000, Charles DH Williams a écrit :

Quote:
In article <pan.2005.01.27.08.44.26.26716@mynewserverposfix.com>,
habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:

Le Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:40:55 +0000, Stuart Brorson a écrit :

habib bouaziz-viallet <habib@mynewserverposfix.com> wrote:
: Hi all,

: POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even
: spice3f5.

: Any method to fix it ?

Please post your troublesome netlist and an accompanying session log.

Also, which version of ngspice are you using?

Stuart

The MacSpice transplation of the polys() is:
===============================================================
MacSpice 5 -> source Test

Circuit: test

Note -- MacSpice converts spice2 'polys' to spice3 'B' sources,
use 'listing physical expand' to inspect the result(s).
Note -- Line 2 spice2 'poly' source converted.
Note -- Line 3 spice2 'poly' source converted.
MacSpice 6 -> listing physical expand
test

1 : test
2 : *egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5
2 : bsp2_egnd 99 0 v=(0+v(3)*.5+v(4)*.5)
3 : *fb 7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 7e6 -1e3 1e3 6e6 -6e6
3 : bsp2_fb 7 99 i=(0+i(vb)*7e6+i(vc)*(-1e3)+i(ve)*1e3+i(vlp)*6e6+i(vln)*(-6e6))
------ : .end
MacSpice 7 -
===============================================================

I suspect that the problem with ngspice is caused by using (,) as
separators which which confuse the ngspice tokeniser into thinking that
(3,0) is a single token. Try instead:

egnd 99 0 poly(2) 3 0 4 0 0 .5 .5

Charles

Thanks Charles,

This very .cir description works well with spice-opus
http://www.fe.uni-lj.si/spice/welcome.html

and not (for the moment) with ng-spice 1.5. May be Xspice extensions not
may not work with ... it's very surprising, mmmh...!

Habib
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