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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:30:04 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:08 -0600, "jason" <jpop@carrollsweb.com
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Bush has the brain of a retarded clam.
He has a BS from Yale and a Masters from Harvard. He got better
grades than Kerry, and wasn't expelled for cheating like Teddy
Kennedy.
Where did you go to school?
Oh, his inauguration speech today was inspired, historical. He
explained what he's trying to do, and it's magnificent. Not easy, but
noble as all getout.
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So, are you bowing down before his altar, and giving burnt offerings?
Feh.
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David
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:16:03 +0000, John S. Dyson wrote:
| Quote: | In article <pan.2005.01.21.09.34.08.841000@westcontrol.removethis.com>,
David <david.nospam@westcontrol.removethis.com> writes:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:21:46 +0000, John S. Dyson wrote:
I don't know why the left hates Bush.
Gee, where do I begin?
He lied to get us into a war.
There is no proof that Bush lied. Please refer to a dictionary
Look, it's quite simple - what Bush said about WMD in Iraq was untrue.
That doesn't make it a lie... Note that the info sources had been damaged
by the Demoncrats (e.g. the CIA/Church Commission or Clinton in 1995/1996.)
That doesn't guarantee that Bush was telling the truth, but you have still
not given ANY ANY proof that Bush had lied. You keep on making up supposition,
and that isn't sufficient to condemn somone to be a liar. In essense,
you show your own dishonesty.
John
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Perhaps I confused you by snipping too much of the attributions, but I did
not say he was a liar (although I personally believe he is). What I said
here, as you quoted me, is that he said things that were not true. Forget
your attempts at passing the buck to previous administrations for a
minute, and answer me this: was Bush telling the factual truth when he
said that Iraq had large quantities of WMD?
Given that there is exactly zero evidence of such weapons now or when the
claim was made, the obvious answer is no, it was not the truth. As you
say, this does not make it a lie - it is only a lie if Bush knew it was
not the truth. So tell me, why do you think Bush said it, and then based
a war on this claim? Do you think he knew? Do you think his advisors
knew and lied to him? Or do you think this is all a conspiracy by
previous democrate administrations to build a web of false information to
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Spehro Pefhany
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:51:27 GMT, the renowned Rich Grise
<richgrise@example.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:52:42 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:43:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:28:00 -0500, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
John, Don't waste your breath. Leftists just can not cope with the
concept that LESS taxes is a GOOD thing. Leftists throw up this
"corporate welfare" BS to confuse the masses... the masses who have NO
CLUE what it really is to PAY massive taxes... the masses who have NO
CLUE that it is THEY who are on welfare.
...Jim Thompson
It is really quite simple: If I pay more taxes, so you can pay less,
I am paying your way, and you are on welfare.
-Chuck
Yup. Just what I said. I'd just like to pay LESS of your way.
I pray for tax reform... but I doubt that it will ever happen... the
leftists won't allow anything that approaches fair taxation.
...Jim Thompson
The only rational taxation is a universal sales tax, with exemptions
for basics.
Screw the exemptions for "basics" (that's the politically easier
route, however). Give people money if they need it. The exemptions
cause a LOT of complexity with a reasonable VAT/GST type system
because of the way input tax credits have to be handled. AFAIK no
country has been able to do that (politically) at a useful tax rate.
That would reduce the huge disadvantage that domestic
manufacturers/employers face.
Income tax is a job-destroying machine.
John
*Replacing* IT with a GST/VAT at a reasonable rate would be nothing
short of revolutionary. Estate taxes should probably be jacked up
(make it easier to make money in this generation rather than
accumulate it over many), but that's another story.
What really needs to be repaired is the mindset that there's any
justification whatsoever for institutionalized theft.
Thanks,
Rich
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The total level of taxation is a different issue, and essentially
there is no joy to be found there under any plausible scenario in the
foreseeable future.
US Federal government spending, in all major categories, *will* most
likely continue to increase at least as fast as the economy, barring
only a financial meltdown, which would hurt a lot more.
The total portion of the GDP controlled by all levels of governments
in OECD countries varies from about 1/3 (the US is at 36%) to close to
60%. The Eurozone averages out at about 49% (universal health care is
included in most OECD countries, of course, which has to be taken into
account in comparing value for taxes). BTW, the G7 country with the
biggest decrease in ALL levels of government spending over 1992-2004
is Canada (by 25% as a % of GDP). Australia managed about 10%, and the
US about 7.5% (-11% to 2000, then increasing again). Euro zone -6%, UK
-1%, Japan +13%.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Clarence_A
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject:
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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:SJVBkuAxfL8BFwMT@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
| Quote: | I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
22p0v014iurg4i51d90o6aptvk7la26ilc@
4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red States to Secede', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:
He's senile. Most ineffective Pope EVER!
Popes are always against war - it goes with the job in the same
way as
they tend to be against sin. But this Pope hasn't been
ineffective; he's
pronounced, often, very conservative dogma that I thought you
would
support.
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As if anyone really cares what he says!
He can barely even talk, (or stand,) and it's not understandable
when he tries!
This pope is "conservative" if it means he is listened to and
followed. Otherwise he is an arrogant elitist! |
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Jim Thompson
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:06:09 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
| Quote: | I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <22p0v014iurg4i51d90o6aptvk7la26ilc@
4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red States to Secede', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:
He's senile. Most ineffective Pope EVER!
Popes are always against war - it goes with the job in the same way as
they tend to be against sin. But this Pope hasn't been ineffective; he's
pronounced, often, very conservative dogma that I thought you would
support.
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And what would be "very conservative dogma that I thought you would
support"?
You misread me completely. In personal matters I'm basically a
libertarian... live and let live. Just don't do anything to me and I
won't do anything to you, or tell you how to live.
But, attack me or my country, and your ass is grass ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:34:12 +0100, David
<david.nospam@westcontrol.removethis.com> wrote:
,snip]
| Quote: | My personal opinion is that
while Bush probably knowingly lied on several occasions (he apparently has
no feelings of responsibility or scrupples),
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"Scrupples", is that like hemorrhoids ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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Bob Stephens
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:26:57 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | No summa cum laude gets off easy!
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I concur. They're too uptight. You might try getting her drunk. ;) |
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Jim Thompson
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:56:37 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:26:57 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
No summa cum laude gets off easy!
I concur. They're too uptight. You might try getting her drunk. ;)
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Sno-o-o-o-ort!
"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker" (Ogden Nash)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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Chuck Harris
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:
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Rich Grise wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:54:54 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:50:07 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
Simple fix: neither subsidize nor tax corporations.
John
Works for me! But who would contribute to election campaigns if there
were no money to fight over?
Well, first, we kill all the lawyers...
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No, I have some good friends that are lawyers. I think we should
just encourage them to find new careers.
-Chuck |
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John Larkin
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:42:31 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:54:54 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:50:07 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
Simple fix: neither subsidize nor tax corporations.
John
Works for me! But who would contribute to election campaigns if there
were no money to fight over?
Well, first, we kill all the lawyers...
;-)
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We always appreciate your original insights.
John |
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John Woodgate
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-
harris@erols.com> wrote (in <brWdnUJ3LJxKuWzcRVn-oQ@rcn.net>) about 'OT:
Red States to Secede', on Fri, 21 Jan 2005:
| Quote: | No, I have some good friends that are lawyers. I think we should
just encourage them to find new careers.
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.... commensurate with their abilities. But there is only a limited
demand for telephone sanitizers. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk |
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John Larkin
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:58:51 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:30:04 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:08 -0600, "jason" <jpop@carrollsweb.com
wrote:
Bush has the brain of a retarded clam.
He has a BS from Yale and a Masters from Harvard. He got better
grades than Kerry, and wasn't expelled for cheating like Teddy
Kennedy.
Where did you go to school?
Oh, his inauguration speech today was inspired, historical. He
explained what he's trying to do, and it's magnificent. Not easy, but
noble as all getout.
So, are you bowing down before his altar, and giving burnt offerings?
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So, you're happy with half the world's population living under the
rule of thugs and leading short, miserable lives?
Yup, you probably are. After all, you've got yours.
John |
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John Larkin
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:46:40 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:06:09 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <22p0v014iurg4i51d90o6aptvk7la26ilc@
4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red States to Secede', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:
He's senile. Most ineffective Pope EVER!
Popes are always against war - it goes with the job in the same way as
they tend to be against sin. But this Pope hasn't been ineffective; he's
pronounced, often, very conservative dogma that I thought you would
support.
And what would be "very conservative dogma that I thought you would
support"?
You misread me completely. In personal matters I'm basically a
libertarian... live and let live. Just don't do anything to me and I
won't do anything to you, or tell you how to live.
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But is a libertarian willing to help people who are far less well off?
Libertarianism is, after all, a hobby of the lucky and the wealthy.
The Est movement was the essence of libertarianism. It said,
essentially, "sure, for a tiny bit of consideration on my part, I
could greatly reduce your unhappiness. But screw you, it's your
problem."
John |
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Chuck Harris
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:
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John Larkin wrote:
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You misread me completely. In personal matters I'm basically a
libertarian... live and let live. Just don't do anything to me and I
won't do anything to you, or tell you how to live.
But is a libertarian willing to help people who are far less well off?
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Being a libertarian is a subscribing to a certain political philosophy.
Being charitable is caring for the well being others. They are
not mutually exclusive of each other.
-Chuck Harris |
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Jim Thompson
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:23:36 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
[snip]
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You misread me completely. In personal matters I'm basically a
libertarian... live and let live. Just don't do anything to me and I
won't do anything to you, or tell you how to live.
But is a libertarian willing to help people who are far less well off?
Libertarianism is, after all, a hobby of the lucky and the wealthy.
The Est movement was the essence of libertarianism. It said,
essentially, "sure, for a tiny bit of consideration on my part, I
could greatly reduce your unhappiness. But screw you, it's your
problem."
John
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"Libertarianism is, after all, a hobby of the lucky and the wealthy."
Huh?
I'm perfectly OK with welfare, for the truly needy, but not for bums.
I remember "Est". I went to a couple of meetings, IIRC, around 1980.
What a bunch of idiots. Almost as bad as Mensa ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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