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Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:
Can we get plugin lamps working in the Tektronix 7603? |
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Most of the plugins for the Tek 7603 workhorse scope will not show
their lights when their switches are pushed in with the 7603 (and
apparently a lot of other early Tek scopes), whereas they do show in
the 7904 and other high numbered models. Is their a way to rectify this
on the 7603?
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Robert Baer
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject:
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bobd426@yahoo.com wrote:
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Most of the plugins for the Tek 7603 workhorse scope will not show
their lights when their switches are pushed in with the 7603 (and
apparently a lot of other early Tek scopes), whereas they do show in
the 7904 and other high numbered models. Is their a way to rectify this
on the 7603?
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Look at the schematic of a plugin that works that way, and see what
voltage line at the connector is used for those lights.
This assumes that there is a unique line for that function.
If so, then modify the scope to supply that voltage.
The schematic to my R7704 shows: pin 14A as lights common and pin 9A
as +5 lights, so the lights are indeed seperate.
he power supply has, in efect, a seperate winding and rectifier for
the +5v lights line (unregulated). |
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Jim Yanik
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:08 am Post subject:
Re: Can we get plugin lamps working in the Tektronix 7603? |
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Robert Baer <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:41F4A47A.21293B6B@earthlink.net:
| Quote: | bobd426@yahoo.com wrote:
Most of the plugins for the Tek 7603 workhorse scope will not show
their lights when their switches are pushed in with the 7603 (and
apparently a lot of other early Tek scopes), whereas they do show in
the 7904 and other high numbered models. Is their a way to rectify this
on the 7603?
Look at the schematic of a plugin that works that way, and see what
voltage line at the connector is used for those lights.
This assumes that there is a unique line for that function.
If so, then modify the scope to supply that voltage.
The schematic to my R7704 shows: pin 14A as lights common and pin 9A
as +5 lights, so the lights are indeed seperate.
he power supply has, in efect, a seperate winding and rectifier for
the +5v lights line (unregulated).
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and look at the interface schematic of the 7603 and see if there's a line
that supplies power to the plug-ins for the lights.
I would not fix what is not broken.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Can we get plugin lamps working in the Tektronix 7603? |
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Thanks for the insights so far!
The 7603 does not furnish power to the plugin lamps on the plugin
connections used for that purpose on later 7XXX scopes. It would seem
so easy to do this, that I can't believe Tektronix did not do it, as
some plugins obviously could use it to help the operator easily see
their state, like the 7S11 and 7T11 and some of the timebases.
Interestingly, the 7D20 plugin has a ton of lamps and it would be very
difficult to use if they did not light. The lamps light on the 7603
using special 5V(sub)L (Lamp?) power generated from the host's +15V via
a convertor on the 7D20's PS board.
I guess I was looking for why Tektronix did not do it before I burn up
a plugin or scope power supply modifying my 7603 by running 5V to the
proper pin. Maybe it is as simple as some plugins would draw too much
from the +5 volt line lighting the lamps.
Does anyone see any reason that Tektronix did not do this "simple"
thing to make some plugin's more effective? |
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Jim Yanik
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Can we get plugin lamps working in the Tektronix 7603? |
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bobd426@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1106732521.616602.276500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Thanks for the insights so far!
The 7603 does not furnish power to the plugin lamps on the plugin
connections used for that purpose on later 7XXX scopes. It would seem
so easy to do this, that I can't believe Tektronix did not do it, as
some plugins obviously could use it to help the operator easily see
their state, like the 7S11 and 7T11 and some of the timebases.
Interestingly, the 7D20 plugin has a ton of lamps and it would be very
difficult to use if they did not light. The lamps light on the 7603
using special 5V(sub)L (Lamp?) power generated from the host's +15V via
a convertor on the 7D20's PS board.
I guess I was looking for why Tektronix did not do it before I burn up
a plugin or scope power supply modifying my 7603 by running 5V to the
proper pin. Maybe it is as simple as some plugins would draw too much
from the +5 volt line lighting the lamps.
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That is probably why.
IIRC,those tiny lamps draw around 60ma each.
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Does anyone see any reason that Tektronix did not do this "simple"
thing to make some plugin's more effective?
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Only the TEK engineers know for certain.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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CBarn24050
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Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject:
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The diagram doesn't show a 5v supply for the lights. You could take a supply
from the graicule lamp supply (12v unreg) through a 7805 regulator and down to
the interface board. But is it worth it? |
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jamesemeister
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Posts: 2
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject:
Tek 7603 plug-in lights. |
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| I've done this mod on two 7603's and one 7633. You just need to supply +5V and ground to connector P10 on the backplane. You can get this off the regulator board, or several other places. I've been using pins EW and EX of the connector to the logic board. In general, the light circuits in the plug-ins are isolated, so the polarity of your P10 connection doesn't matter. However, in rare instances (e.g., 7A13), the light ground equals the chassis ground, and the scope will go into current foldback if the polarity at P10 is wrong. If this happens, just switch the leads. Bottom line: I've used about 15 different plug-ins, three at a time, and never have had any problems. Incidentally, if you really want to go first class, dissect the plug-in and replace all the light bulbs with LED's (5V T1-base with integrated resistor - about 40 cents at Mouser). They will last forever and draw less current than the incandescents. The red color looks cool, too! |
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