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Markus Meng
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:
[Q] Fast Logic To Reset Core of a Communication Transformer |
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Hi all,
I have the following situation. In a design I use the MAX3088
as a failsafe half-duplex RS485 driver, driving a communication
transformer in order to isolate the external lines from the
internal logic. The bitrate is ~3MBit. The link layer telegram
may not be completly dc-balanced. At the end of the telegram
the core of the communication trafo may still contain dc-biased
energy. I have a third yet unused winding on the transformer
I would like to use in order to reset core by "short-cutting"
this third winding for 1..2 usec. Telegram interfame spacing
would allow for this. Now I am looking for a hint or for some
good ideas how it can be done.
Any suggestions or ideas hints would be appreciated.
Best Regards
Markus
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James Meyer
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:18 +0100, Markus Meng <meng.engineering@bluewin.ch>
wroth:
| Quote: | Hi all,
I have the following situation. In a design I use the MAX3088
as a failsafe half-duplex RS485 driver, driving a communication
transformer in order to isolate the external lines from the
internal logic. The bitrate is ~3MBit. The link layer telegram
may not be completly dc-balanced. At the end of the telegram
the core of the communication trafo may still contain dc-biased
energy.
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The core will NOT retain any energy. You need to do nothing special.
Jim |
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Markus Meng
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject:
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James Meyer schrieb:
| Quote: | On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:18 +0100, Markus Meng <meng.engineering@bluewin.ch
wroth:
Hi all,
I have the following situation. In a design I use the MAX3088
as a failsafe half-duplex RS485 driver, driving a communication
transformer in order to isolate the external lines from the
internal logic. The bitrate is ~3MBit. The link layer telegram
may not be completly dc-balanced. At the end of the telegram
the core of the communication trafo may still contain dc-biased
energy.
The core will NOT retain any energy. You need to do nothing special.
Jim
Using a core, and an RS485 half duplex communication bus will result |
into a so called trafo-kickback, being dangerous for proper
end-delimiter recognition and yealds to unwanted noise at the end
of a telegram. This will happen if the protocol is not dc-balanced,
and the half-duplex driver will be switched off after xmition of
frame.
Markus
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James Meyer
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:58:31 +0100, Markus Meng <meng.engineering@bluewin.ch>
wroth:
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Using a core, and an RS485 half duplex communication bus will result
into a so called trafo-kickback, being dangerous for proper
end-delimiter recognition and yealds to unwanted noise at the end
of a telegram. This will happen if the protocol is not dc-balanced,
and the half-duplex driver will be switched off after xmition of
frame.
Markus
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Please look at page 14 of the pdf file at
http://www.ccontrols.com/pdf/Tutorial.pdf to see a way to use transformers in an
RS-485 network without problems due to DC currents.
Jim |
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Tony
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:25 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:03:23 GMT, James Meyer <jmeyer@nowhere.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:58:31 +0100, Markus Meng <meng.engineering@bluewin.ch
wroth:
Using a core, and an RS485 half duplex communication bus will result
into a so called trafo-kickback, being dangerous for proper
end-delimiter recognition and yealds to unwanted noise at the end
of a telegram. This will happen if the protocol is not dc-balanced,
and the half-duplex driver will be switched off after xmition of
frame.
Markus
Please look at page 14 of the pdf file at
http://www.ccontrols.com/pdf/Tutorial.pdf to see a way to use transformers in an
RS-485 network without problems due to DC currents.
Jim
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Any method that allows RS485 to be transformer-coupled will be
substantially different from RS485, and that one certainly qualifies.
I used a method circa 1990 that I believe was at least a little
cheaper / simpler, and still ended up looking like RS485 (at the time,
I called it "6+2M" encoding) - just encode every 3 message bytes into
a DC-balanced 4 byte sequence (there are more than 64 such sequences,
enough left over for preamble etc if you need it. It's all physical
layer stuff; it all depends whether you are limited at the hardware or
software level.
But failing that, as long as you're using a UART and the transformer
bandwidth is wide enough so all-ones bytes are still recognizable, you
can always add big caps between the chips and the transformers, and
clamp the chip side to around the rails; the periodic stop and start
bits should be enough to keep the DC under control.
Tony (remove the "_" to reply by email) |
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