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Winfield Hill
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:57 am Post subject:
Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder" |
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10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
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Thanks,
- Win
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Spehro Pefhany
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:31 am Post subject:
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On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, the renowned Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
Obviously we need web-based therapy sessions to counter this scourge.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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xray
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
I started reading it, but it was getting boring, so I skipped down to...
"Those techs raped your stupid mind good"
Pretty good. Thanks for pointing it out.
Now, where was I?
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PeteS
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Winfield Hill wrote:
I don't think the net has created a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
- it has simply made it easier to find ;)
Cheers
PeteS
'The total sum of intelligence on the planet is a constant. The
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Paul Burridge
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
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"What is now proved was once only imagin'd" - William Blake |
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:
"It actually destroys brain cells or something, because if I've been
doing too much online reading, I lose the patience for following a
sustained or subtle argument, or reading a complex novel," wrote Body
and Soul blog's 'Jeanne D'arc'.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?
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Rich |
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Bob Monsen
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
| Quote: | On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
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Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
It is like solving circuits in closed form vs using spice. I'm guessing
that 'spice addicts' are far less able to analyze and predict the effects
of circuit changes with pencil and paper than those who customarily do
this by hand.
No big surprise...
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Regards,
Bob Monsen
Our minds are finite, and yet even in those circumstances of finitude, we
are surrounded by possibilities that are infinite, and the purpose of human
life is to grasp as much as we can out of that infinitude.
- Alfred North Whitehead |
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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Bob Monsen wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
It is like solving circuits in closed form vs using spice. I'm guessing
that 'spice addicts' are far less able to analyze and predict the effects
of circuit changes with pencil and paper than those who customarily do
this by hand.
No big surprise...
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I bet most people can chip flint or make fire from two sticks as well as our
ancestors either.
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Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
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John Larkin
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
But television is ten times worse.
John |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:03:05 -0800, the renowned Bob Monsen
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
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We're entering an age of situational expertise.
Need to drywall a rec room?
Need to fix the drive train of a garage door opener?
Need to diagnose a weird medical condition?
Anyone of normal intelligence with some basic search skills can now
accomplish any of these things, probably with similar end results to a
typical "pro" at zero cost for acquiring the knowledge. Once the job
has been finished, you can confidently forget the acquired knowledge,
reasonably confident in that the info will always (we hope) be out
there if you should ever need it again.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Fred Bloggs
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:03:05 -0800, the renowned Bob Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
We're entering an age of situational expertise.
Need to drywall a rec room?
Need to fix the drive train of a garage door opener?
Need to diagnose a weird medical condition?
Anyone of normal intelligence with some basic search skills can now
accomplish any of these things, probably with similar end results to a
typical "pro" at zero cost for acquiring the knowledge.
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Maybe- but then you're left with possibly a couple hundred dollars of
specialized tools you will never use again:-) |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:58:31 GMT, the renowned Fred Bloggs
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:03:05 -0800, the renowned Bob Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
We're entering an age of situational expertise.
Need to drywall a rec room?
Need to fix the drive train of a garage door opener?
Need to diagnose a weird medical condition?
Anyone of normal intelligence with some basic search skills can now
accomplish any of these things, probably with similar end results to a
typical "pro" at zero cost for acquiring the knowledge.
Maybe- but then you're left with possibly a couple hundred dollars of
specialized tools you will never use again:-)
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You can buy cheap "one use" tools such as the $125-$150 hydraulic auto
body/frame repair toolkits (about $2/lb), or the $5 overhead valve
spring compressor tools. Or buy good stuff used and resell it on
eBay, probably for not much different than you paid. Or rent
professional stuff from one of the many rental places (including Home
Despot). Or get a pro to do it for you with his/her tools, that's
always an option if you want. Even then, you can use temporarily
acquired knowledge to make sure the pro knows what they are doing and
are doing a good job- so you're a better general contractor.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Keith Williams
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Using the net creates a "problem-solving deficit disorde |
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In article <4396B238.2030502@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:03:05 -0800, the renowned Bob Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:38 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote:
On 1 Dec 2005 18:57:49 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
10% of US net users 'addicted, needing therapy' ...
Other 90% too burned-out to respond. :-)
... net use creates a "problem-solving deficit disorder"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/net_addicts_therapy/
I Can't agree. It depends what kind of stuff you read on the 'net.
Just the same as reading tabloids versus reading the broadsheets. No
difference, IMV.
Network users are externalizing their data processing capabilities. They
no longer NEED to be able to compute a cube root or quote Darwin, because
they can find a web page that has the solution, and a long page of Darwin
quotes with a click of a button. Whatever capability you don't use
atrophies. Given the tools they customarily use, they'll solve problems
far faster than the non-net users...
We're entering an age of situational expertise.
Need to drywall a rec room?
Need to fix the drive train of a garage door opener?
Need to diagnose a weird medical condition?
Anyone of normal intelligence with some basic search skills can now
accomplish any of these things, probably with similar end results to a
typical "pro" at zero cost for acquiring the knowledge.
Maybe- but then you're left with possibly a couple hundred dollars of
specialized tools you will never use again:-)
Guilty as charged. However, "a couple of hundred dollars" is only |
about four hours of a tradesman's work. I have many such tools
(e.g. wet saw) and have saved *thousands* of dollars on home
renovations and additions. Of course, I'm salaried so I have no
income outside 40x52. Things would be different if I worked hourly
with unlimited chargeable work.
OTOH, I'm not doing self-surgery either way. ;-)
--
Keith |
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