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Chris
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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I have bought a TIG welder that will run off UK 240 volt single phase 50
hertz AC supply, but on full power can draw up to 50 amps. I want to wire
this off the house incoming mains distribution board, to a spur in my
worksshop, about 30 feet away. The mains supply from the road is on a 100
amp fuse to the meter. The meter then feeds straight to a fuse switch with
an 80 amp fuse in it. If I can get an extra pair of tails into the outlest
of this switch fuse i was going to run armoured cable to a 60 amp switch
fuse in the workshop, with the welder hard wired into that. Can anyone see
a problem with this? I live in the sticks, and although the mains is fused
100 amp the incoming armoured cable form the pole looks quite thin...
What core size armoured do I need to be looking at? BTW, a pic of the
welder load plate is at ftp://ftp.chriswilson.tv/mig/mig.jpg
Thanks.
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Charles Schuler
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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Don't know about UK standards. Here (USA) we use the National Electric Code
and if one modifies an installation without permitting and inspection, dire
consequences can result ... as one example the refusal of an insurer to pay
for damages ignited or initiated by an electrical fault.
For 50 amps, one needs robust wiring (# 8 copper or # 6 ... depends on
several factors). Also, the sub-feed must be protected with an over-current
device properly sized to the wire size and the particulars of the load the
installation. The means of disconnect might also be regulated ... even the
location of the disconnect device. It can get complicated. Conduit might
be required, for example.
Don't rush into this. Check with your local authorities. You might need a
permit and an inspection after installation to make it legal and to avoid
future problems. |
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pebe
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
re:60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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I would agree with Charles. Give your local electricity board a ring
They will give you a definitive answer
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Paul Blitz
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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Bear in mind that, in the UK, new regulations mean that unless formally
qualified, you can NOT do electrical work in your own house, you MUST get an
approved electrician to do the work.
Paul |
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Fermi
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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Chris wrote:
| Quote: | I have bought a TIG welder that will run off UK 240 volt single phase 50
hertz AC supply, but on full power can draw up to 50 amps. I want to wire
this off the house incoming mains distribution board, to a spur in my
worksshop, about 30 feet away.
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This should be OK. You'll need a 50A MCB in the distribution board and
cable with 8mm^2 or 10mm^2 cables.
| Quote: | The mains supply from the road is on a 100
amp fuse to the meter. The meter then feeds straight to a fuse switch with
an 80 amp fuse in it. If I can get an extra pair of tails into the outlest
of this switch fuse i was going to run armoured cable to a 60 amp switch
fuse in the workshop, with the welder hard wired into that. Can anyone see
a problem with this?
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I'm not sure what you mean by "a fuse switch". Is this separate to the
distibution board? I've seen some installations where the tails from the
meter go to a switch which then supplies two distibution boards (in the
case where the first distibution board didn't have enough connections).
Anything after the meter is your responsibility. The meter and the
distibution head (which has the 100A fuse) is property of the supplier (the
fuse just protects their system should there be a fault on your property,
it doesn't really increase safety).
The key points are:
The cable to the workshop must be rated for the application .Different
cables will have different ratings depending on whether they are clipped to
the surface of a wall or if they are enclosed in the wall or in conduit
(where they are derated due to decreased ventilation).
The cable must be protected by a circuit breaker (MCB) or fuse. This
prevents the cable from overheating so the cable must have higher rating
than the fuse/MCB that protects it. If the "fuse switch" is connected
directly to the meter and you run cables from this you will neeed something
like 16mm^2 or 25mm^2 cable as the only thing protecting the cable will be
the 100A fuse.
Your local library (if one exists) on town/city library may have a copy of
the IEE 16th edition wiring regulations:
http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/index.cfm
The work you are intending to do falls under the new Part-P building
regulations and will need approval from the local building inspector:
http://www.partp.co.uk/consumer/consumer_diy.asp
Various examples of distibution boards and cable:
http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/SENTRY_tech.pdf
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/64499.pdf
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Consumer_Units_Index/Contactum_Metalclad_Range/index.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/index.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA10Gslash50.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Armoured_SWA/index.html
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F.
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Vanheesbeke Stefaan
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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50 Amps on a two phase 240V mains looks a lot to me.
Is this really a 12kW single phase welding device? |
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Paul Burridge
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | 50 Amps on a two phase 240V mains looks a lot to me.
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It's approaching the limit of the typical company fuse. I guess he'll
be okay if there's nothing else switched on at the same time. ;-)
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"What is now proved was once only imagin'd" - William Blake |
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Paul Burridge
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:10:32 +0000 (UTC), "Paul Blitz"
<paul.blitz@enterprise.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Bear in mind that, in the UK, new regulations mean that unless formally
qualified, you can NOT do electrical work in your own house, you MUST get an
approved electrician to do the work.
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Damn! I'll have to rip out the distribution board I renewed 5 years
ago, then.
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Chris
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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| Quote: | I have bought a TIG welder that will run off UK 240 volt single phase 50
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Sorry for delay in replying, been away (I haven't blown myself up yet...
:)) really good links and info, I have bought a 60 amp fused switch and
will get an electrician to split the meter supply tails to feed two
switches, the original to the house distribution board, and the new one
serving just the welder down an armored cable to the workshop, with an
isolation switch at that end. I think that should cover things? Thanks
again for all the advice! |
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Rich Grise
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Re: 60 amp single pahese 240 volt AC supply (UK) |
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Chris wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:30:50 +0000, Chris wrote:
I have bought a TIG welder that will run off UK 240 volt single phase 50
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Sorry for delay in replying, been away (I haven't blown myself up yet...
:)) really good links and info, I have bought a 60 amp fused switch and
will get an electrician to split the meter supply tails to feed two
switches, the original to the house distribution board, and the new one
serving just the welder down an armored cable to the workshop, with an
isolation switch at that end. I think that should cover things? Thanks
again for all the advice!
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Thanks for coming back with a progress report; the fact that it's a report
of success is kinda like icing on the cake, so to speak. :-)
Cheers!
Rich |
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neon
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| it maybe too late but that transformer made for 50 hz is not made for 60 hz it has more iron then 60 hz and more losses. |
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