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Peter Hucker
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Re: Use of Extension Cord |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:27:04 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Hucker wrote:
You've told me enough details to show it is less safe than the UK system in some respects. By the way I discussed it with an electrical engineer, and he told me the US system is terribly unsafe.
What do you expect? He's brainwashed, too.
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Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
| Quote: | Agreed, but more of the Americans are egotistical, and to a greater extent.
It only looks that way to Euro-wennies with no balls.
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You're from Texas aren't you?
| Quote: | What on earth do you do with 48kW???
Electric heat, central air conditioning, electric water heater,
electric stove. Just because you have a 200 amp 240 VAC service doesn't
mean that you'll use all of it.
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Agreed, but it's a little over the top isn't it? We have 80 amps, and even if we have electric heating (which most of us don't as gas is far cheaper) it ain't all used.
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"Hi, honey," he says. "Want a little company?"
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Jasen Betts
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject:
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On 2005-11-23, service@bitcoelectronics.com <service@bitcoelectronics.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Generally, AC kills by power dissipation. In other words, your body,
which has a resistance impedes the flow of current, resulting in a
voltage drop. this causes the body to dissipate heat. In essence,
you're getting cooked.
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It's that or it knocks your heart out of sync, into fibrilation(sp?)
| Quote: | I saw one post in here which used Ohms law to show Vdrop/foot of copper
wire. Good math, and indeed correct for DC. AC however has
significantly lower losses in copper wire.
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bullshit. actually it's higher.
| Quote: | In order to do the equivalent calculation for AC, one would need to
calculate for Z (impedance).
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only if the RMS current is not known, if it is only the resuistance is needed,
for all sensibly constructed wires R will be smaller than Z (which measn te
conductor will pass DC better than it passes AC.
| Quote: | In any but the most extreme cases, copper wire offers
almost no noticeable impedance. Can you imagine what the energy loss
and ensuant heat dissapation would be, in long wire runs, from
substations in rural areas, were this not so?
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For realy long runs they use DC because the losses are less.
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John Fields
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:17:04 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com>
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| Quote: | Well, for starters, since I didn't know anything about whether you
had kids or not, you should have known that and ruled it out.
Second, since the lyrics are from an "Animals" song and they're
Brits, ("your boys") I thought you might be able to put two and two
together
Well I did guess right.
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Hardly a guess unless you're blind to your own culture.
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| Quote: | and relate the "Oh Lord, please don't let me be
misunderstood." part to why it's important to be precise when
communicating using the written word. Obviously, I was wrong.
You underestimated my laziness.
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I doubt it, since you certainly don't seem to have any problem
pounding on your keyboard. Rather, I think I _overestimated_ your
mental acuity.
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| Quote: | Not quite adhering to your rules for what should be religiously
"proper"?
Religiously proper is an oxymoron.
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In what way?
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| Quote: | Seems like we solved that little problem about 400 years ago...
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Ever hear of the "Mayflower"?
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| Quote: | I guess those outlets that keep you from getting shocked come at a
price, huh?
I never said our outlets stop us getting shocked.
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Then what are the shutters for?
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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Use of Extension Cord |
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Peter Hucker wrote:
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Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
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Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
| Quote: | You're from Texas aren't you?
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You're not even close. Can't you read a sig file? I grew up in
Ohio, and live in Florida. I'm a disabled veteran living by myself, and
I've never been to Texas.
| Quote: | Agreed, but it's a little over the top isn't it? We have 80 amps, and even if we have electric heating (which most of us don't as gas is far cheaper) it ain't all used.
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You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
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Michael A. Terrell
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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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"ALBERT C. GOOD JR." wrote:
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Michael
Your are correct that these sort of problems most often happen when the
installer is a fly by night using less than professional equipment.
Also note that in my remarks I had avoided speaking in absolutes since I did
not know for absolute fact that their where no other factors involved.
Albert
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That was my point. The media always blames the PA system or anything
they can think of before anything is tested to find the real cause. For
example: A man I used to work for serviced school fire alarms as a side
business. He was on a call one day and got a shock from a piece of
conduit that supplied power to the service outlet next to the alarm
cabinet. He took a piece of wire and touched it to the grounded alarm
cabinet and the bare metal outlet box and tripped the breaker. They
called their maintenance people in to find that it had 120 VAC on it and
it was traced to some damage where the conduit had separated, and the
insulation was worn off the black wire. There was no green bonding wire
in the conduit, so the rest of the run downstream was hot. Multiple
factors caused the fault, but it could have killed someone. It turned
out that kids were jumping up and grabbing the conduit at a bend and
hanging on them to show off, and had finally pulled the screws out of
the ceiling that held it in place.
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Peter Hucker
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:06 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:45:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Hucker wrote:
Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
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If it's somewhere where it cannot cool (rolled up, with other wirse, under something behind a TV set, etc) it could get too warm.
| Quote: | You're from Texas aren't you?
You're not even close. Can't you read a sig file? I grew up in
Ohio, and live in Florida. I'm a disabled veteran living by myself, and
I've never been to Texas.
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I didn't bother checking the sig, infact I was reading your post in the replying window which had already removed your sig.
| Quote: | Agreed, but it's a little over the top isn't it? We have 80 amps, and even if we have electric heating (which most of us don't as gas is far cheaper) it ain't all used.
You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
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I don't run my car at full revs all the time, no. But I do sometimes. And even for people that don't, they'll be going to at least half full revs. I can't see anyone using even half of that power in a house.
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Peter Hucker
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:34 am Post subject:
Re: Use of Extension Cord |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:08:14 -0000, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:17:04 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com
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Well, for starters, since I didn't know anything about whether you
had kids or not, you should have known that and ruled it out.
Second, since the lyrics are from an "Animals" song and they're
Brits, ("your boys") I thought you might be able to put two and two
together
Well I did guess right.
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Hardly a guess unless you're blind to your own culture.
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Educated guess then.....
| Quote: | and relate the "Oh Lord, please don't let me be
misunderstood." part to why it's important to be precise when
communicating using the written word. Obviously, I was wrong.
You underestimated my laziness.
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I doubt it, since you certainly don't seem to have any problem
pounding on your keyboard.
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Touchtyping anyone?
| Quote: | Not quite adhering to your rules for what should be religiously
"proper"?
Religiously proper is an oxymoron.
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In what way?
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Religion is the most illogical thing there is.
| Quote: | Seems like we solved that little problem about 400 years ago...
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Ever hear of the "Mayflower"?
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What are you saying, you solved your religion problem? It's still there.
| Quote: | I guess those outlets that keep you from getting shocked come at a
price, huh?
I never said our outlets stop us getting shocked.
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Then what are the shutters for?
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To reduce the chances.
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John Fields
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:06:52 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com>
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| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:45:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
If it's somewhere where it cannot cool (rolled up, with other wirse, under something behind a TV set, etc) it could get too warm.
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Depends on the wire size and the length of the cord. Like the man
said, you need to study up on the wire charts and whatever the
regulations are. We have the NEC (National Electrical Code) to go
by. You???
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| Quote: | You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
I don't run my car at full revs all the time, no. But I do sometimes. And even for people that don't, they'll be going to at least half full revs. I can't see anyone using even half of that power in a house.
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Perhaps that's because you live in a smallish house with few
appliances. I'm in 4000 square feet with about 12 tons of A/C,
electric heat, electric range, two 50 gallon electric water heaters,
two fridges, electric clothes washer and dryer, and then there's
lighting, the computers, TV, the lawn sprinkler system... It all
adds up.
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Professional Circuit Designer |
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Peter Hucker
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
Re: Use of Extension Cord |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:36:03 -0000, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:06:52 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:45:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
If it's somewhere where it cannot cool (rolled up, with other wirse, under something behind a TV set, etc) it could get too warm.
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Depends on the wire size and the length of the cord. Like the man
said, you need to study up on the wire charts and whatever the
regulations are. We have the NEC (National Electrical Code) to go
by. You???
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If it can handle 15 amps, why rate it at 5? There must be a reason it's sold as 5 amp wire....
| Quote: | You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
I don't run my car at full revs all the time, no. But I do sometimes. And even for people that don't, they'll be going to at least half full revs. I can't see anyone using even half of that power in a house.
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Perhaps that's because you live in a smallish house with few
appliances. I'm in 4000 square feet with about 12 tons of A/C,
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Granted, no A/C necessary here, but that's nothing compared with heating.
| Quote: | electric heat, electric range,
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I have gas (real gas CH4, not petrol C8H18) but a lot of people use electric for these two, and they still only need 80 amps.
| Quote: | two 50 gallon electric water heaters,
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Why do you use more water than me?
Negligible current.
| Quote: | electric clothes washer and dryer,
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They're present in any country.
| Quote: | and then there's lighting, the computers, TV, the lawn sprinkler system... It all
adds up.
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Not that much it doesn't. And we have all those aswell. 80 amps is just fine. Do you know hat the max you have ever used at once is?
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A very religious man lived right next door to an atheist. While the religious one prayed day in, day out, and was constantly on his knees in communion with his Lord, the atheist never even looked twice at a church.
However, the atheist's life was good, he had a well-paying job and a beautiful wife, and his children were healthy and good-natured, whereas the pious man's job was strenuous and his wages were low, his wife was getting fatter every day and his kids wouldn't give him the time of the day.
So one day, deep in prayer as usual, he raised his eyes towards heaven and asked: "Oh God, I honor you every day, I ask your advice for every problem and confess to you my every sin. Yet my neighbour, who doesn't even believe in you and certainly never prays, seems blessed with every happiness, while I go poor and suffer many an indignity. Why is this?"
And a great voice was heard from above: "BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BOTHER ME ALL THE TIME!" |
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Michael A. Terrell
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:39 am Post subject:
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Peter Hucker wrote:
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:45:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
If it's somewhere where it cannot cool (rolled up, with other wirse, under something behind a TV set, etc) it could get too warm.
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Its against the code to coil up extra wire.
| Quote: | You're from Texas aren't you?
You're not even close. Can't you read a sig file? I grew up in
Ohio, and live in Florida. I'm a disabled veteran living by myself, and
I've never been to Texas.
I didn't bother checking the sig, infact I was reading your post in the replying window which had already removed your sig.
Agreed, but it's a little over the top isn't it? We have 80 amps, and even if we have electric heating (which most of us don't as gas is far cheaper) it ain't all used.
You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
I don't run my car at full revs all the time, no. But I do sometimes. And even for people that don't, they'll be going to at least half full revs. I can't see anyone using even half of that power in a house.
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I wouldn't need 200 Amps if I had everything running at once. I would
have a hard time hitting 125 amps if I turned on the heat and the AC at
the same time. The fact is that our electric service is installed to
meet expected loads along with a reserve rating, for future needs. Most
people never need the extra capacity, but it is a big selling point when
you sell a house. If the service is outdated it will lower the price,
or even cause people to walk away from the deal.
You think that using 600 KWh in 30 days is excessive? That is only
20 KWh per day, or less than one KW per hour. What is your monthly use
in KWh?
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Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:39:15 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Hucker wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:45:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Explain to me how having a cord with a lower rating than the fuse protecting it is safe.
Peter, you need to study the AWG wire charts and the NEC regulations
to get a clue. The fusing current of the smaller wire is still higher
than the current rating of the fuse or circuit breaker that supplies it.
If it's somewhere where it cannot cool (rolled up, with other wirse, under something behind a TV set, etc) it could get too warm.
Its against the code to coil up extra wire.
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And of course everyone obeys that. You cannot assume Mr A. N. Other will follow the rules.
| Quote: | You're from Texas aren't you?
You're not even close. Can't you read a sig file? I grew up in
Ohio, and live in Florida. I'm a disabled veteran living by myself, and
I've never been to Texas.
I didn't bother checking the sig, infact I was reading your post in the replying window which had already removed your sig.
Agreed, but it's a little over the top isn't it? We have 80 amps, and even if we have electric heating (which most of us don't as gas is far cheaper) it ain't all used.
You just don't get it, do you? In theory, I could have used
200*240*24*30, or 34560 KWh last month, but I only used a little over
600 KWh which is about average for me. A higher capacity service is
installed with heavier wire and fixtures which reduces line losses due
to resistance. Do you run the engine in your call at full speed all the
time? DO you turn every light in the house on all the time? Use some
common sense.
I don't run my car at full revs all the time, no. But I do sometimes. And even for people that don't, they'll be going to at least half full revs. I can't see anyone using even half of that power in a house.
I wouldn't need 200 Amps if I had everything running at once. I would
have a hard time hitting 125 amps if I turned on the heat and the AC at
the same time. The fact is that our electric service is installed to
meet expected loads along with a reserve rating, for future needs. Most
people never need the extra capacity, but it is a big selling point when
you sell a house. If the service is outdated it will lower the price,
or even cause people to walk away from the deal.
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Yes I agree a larger capacity would sell the house better, but 200 seems a little excessive. Do people not try to conserve energy over there? I think I pay about 7p (about 12 cents) per kWh, what is your rate?
| Quote: | You think that using 600 KWh in 30 days is excessive? That is only
20 KWh per day, or less than one KW per hour. What is your monthly use
in KWh?
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50 quid, which must be about 714 kWh - about the same as you. That's with flourescent lighting (when they break they're getting changed to LEDs!) and no electric heating. Where the hell is it going? Mind you I have 14 parrots and use the vacuum and steam cleaner an awful lot.
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John Fields
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:45:48 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com>
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Mind you I have 14 parrots and use the vacuum and steam cleaner an
awful lot.
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Doesn't the steam take the color out of their feathers?
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Professional Circuit Designer |
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Michael A. Terrell
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Peter Hucker wrote:
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And of course everyone obeys that. You cannot assume Mr A. N. Other will follow the rules.
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Well, if they don't, and they cause a fire their insurance doesn't
have to pay the claim. After all, the NEC is written by the insurance
comapines.
| Quote: | Yes I agree a larger capacity would sell the house better, but 200 seems a little excessive. Do people not try to conserve energy over there? I think I pay about 7p (about 12 cents) per kWh, what is your rate?
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The number of breakers allowed is determined by the total capacity of
the service, so a 200 amp service allows you to provide more individual
circuits. Its all there, in the NEC. A house with no empty spaces in
the breaker box is a sign that you may have to rewire the house while
you own it, and it isn't cheap.
As far as conserving energy, I try, but I repair donated computers to
give to disabled Veterans who can't afford a computer and it adds to my
bill. The current rate is 4.813 cents per KWH for the first 1000 KWh
and 5.813 cents per KWH above 1000 KWH. Then they add a 3.918 cent per
KWH fuel charge that almost doubles my bill.
| Quote: | 50 quid, which must be about 714 kWh - about the same as you. That's with flourescent lighting (when they break they're getting changed to LEDs!) and no electric heating. Where the hell is it going? Mind you I have 14 parrots and use the vacuum and steam cleaner an awful lot.
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Like I said above, I repair computers, and have anywhere from one to
five on at a time. I also have two refrigerators because I only go to
the grocery store a couple times a month, and buy most food in bulk.
So, I use a little more electricity, but a lot less gasoline.
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Michael A. Terrell
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John Fields
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:20:28 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@spam.com>
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| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:36:03 -0000, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
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Depends on the wire size and the length of the cord. Like the man
said, you need to study up on the wire charts and whatever the
regulations are. We have the NEC (National Electrical Code) to go
by. You???
If it can handle 15 amps, why rate it at 5? There must be a reason it's sold as 5 amp wire....
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The amount of current a wire can "handle" is based on its
temperature rise and that, in turn varies with its cross-sectional
area. So, a wire which heats up to, say, 40°C over ambient with 5
amperes flowing through it would heat up to something like 120°C
with 15A flowing through it. (Less actually, but since you like
vague, there ya go.)
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| Quote: | two 50 gallon electric water heaters,
Why do you use more water than me?
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Why do you use less than I do?
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| Quote: | and then there's lighting, the computers, TV, the lawn sprinkler system... It all
adds up.
Not that much it doesn't. And we have all those aswell. 80 amps is just fine.
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I see. Since a puny 80 amp service is good enough for you, it should
be good enough for everyone else?
And you're not egostical?
You're a fucking joke is what you are.
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| Quote: | Do you know hat the max you have ever used at once is?
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No, and it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I _have_ the
capacity should I need it.
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Professional Circuit Designer |
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Peter Hucker
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:44:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Hucker wrote:
And of course everyone obeys that. You cannot assume Mr A. N. Other will follow the rules.
Well, if they don't, and they cause a fire their insurance doesn't
have to pay the claim. After all, the NEC is written by the insurance
comapines.
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Can you tell that much after a fire has burnt everything?
| Quote: | Yes I agree a larger capacity would sell the house better, but 200 seems a little excessive. Do people not try to conserve energy over there? I think I pay about 7p (about 12 cents) per kWh, what is your rate?
The number of breakers allowed is determined by the total capacity of
the service, so a 200 amp service allows you to provide more individual
circuits. Its all there, in the NEC. A house with no empty spaces in
the breaker box is a sign that you may have to rewire the house while
you own it, and it isn't cheap.
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Er.... surely you can change 3 40 amp breakers to 4 30 amp breakers? (Simple figures used for er... simplicity).
| Quote: | As far as conserving energy, I try, but I repair donated computers to
give to disabled Veterans who can't afford a computer and it adds to my
bill. The current rate is 4.813 cents per KWH for the first 1000 KWh
and 5.813 cents per KWH above 1000 KWH.
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That's a lot cheaper than here. Ours is (checks bill - OUCH!) 22.07 cents for the first 225kWh and 14.24 cents thereafter.
What's your gas prices like? (What do you call gas if you call petrol gas?) Here it's 4.38 cents for the first 1143kWh, and 3.01 cents thereafter. I wish PCs ran on gas.
Christ almighty..... glad you brought this up, I'm now switching provider and saving 25% :-))))
| Quote: | Then they add a 3.918 cent per KWH fuel charge that almost doubles my bill.
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What is this? Why do they charge twice?
| Quote: | 50 quid, which must be about 714 kWh - about the same as you. That's with flourescent lighting (when they break they're getting changed to LEDs!) and no electric heating. Where the hell is it going? Mind you I have 14 parrots and use the vacuum and steam cleaner an awful lot.
Like I said above, I repair computers, and have anywhere from one to
five on at a time.
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I have two of my own running 24/7. I stopped using those distributed computing things as they consume major amounts of electricity.
| Quote: | I also have two refrigerators because I only go to
the grocery store a couple times a month, and buy most food in bulk.
So, I use a little more electricity, but a lot less gasoline.
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I'd love to do that (although the supermarket is only 5 mins drive away), but surely a lot of things like milk and cheese go off?
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