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Joel Kolstad
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Hi Mark,
"Mark" <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Nope, not true... if you can play it in the analog domain it can
easily be re-digitized without the copy protection.
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1) True, and as far as 'fair use' is concerned this is a pretty viable means,
I suppose. But of course you don't end up with an exact copy, so over time
the information will degrade.
2) The proposed DVD replacement standard, Blu-ray, requires that the original,
uncompressed digital bitstream only be output when the connection to the
display device is, itself, an encrypted link. Which such a link isn't
present, players are required to ouptut a significantly lower quality analog
rendering. !@$#@#$
| Quote: | they may as well give up now...
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They're not going to -- just as book publishers were worried that libraries
would put them out of business and Hollywood initially sued to keep VCRs off
the market. Content publishing and distribution is very much a commodity
business, so anyone who's presently making bucketes of money at it is
naturally going to be scared to death of anything they perceive that'll reduce
their sales.
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Mark
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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The corollary to this is that the effort required to circumvent
copyrights
(even for 100% legitimate fair uses) is also approaching infinity. :-(
Nope, not true... if you can play it in the analog domain it can
easily be re-digitized without the copy protection.
they may as well give up now...
Mark |
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Ted Edwards
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject:
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
| Quote: | Nope, not true... if you can play it in the analog domain it can
easily be re-digitized without the copy protection.
1) True, and as far as 'fair use' is concerned this is a pretty viable means,
I suppose. But of course you don't end up with an exact copy, so over time
the information will degrade.
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Nope. One person somewhere will do it once and digitize the result.
That copy will then circulate without the copy protection.
| Quote: | 2) The proposed DVD replacement standard, Blu-ray, requires that the original,
uncompressed digital bitstream only be output when the connection to the
display device is, itself, an encrypted link. Which such a link isn't
present, players are required to ouptut a significantly lower quality analog
rendering. !@$#@#$
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I've never been interested in computer games so never investigated the
how but the what has been obvious for a long time. There are some
pretty smart kids out there who aren't too busy earning a living. Even
back in the days when the Commodore 64 was the state of the art, the
neighborhood kids had cracked copies of the latest games before the
local stores.
| Quote: | They're not going to -- just as book publishers were worried that libraries
would put them out of business and Hollywood initially sued to keep VCRs off
the market.
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Note that they did not succeed. Corporate greed forces them to continue
to try but they will change or die. Look what is happening in the music
business. Name CD's selling for $20 and up while the artists get little
or nothing. More and more are burning and selling their own work.
There is even at least one outfit that commits to handing over 50% of
_gross_ sales to the artist(s) and are selling alblums at less than half
what the biggies charge.
Like that big green fellow said, "Change is good, Donkey."
Ted
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Keith Williams
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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In article <1133966727.601935.122640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
makolber@yahoo.com says...
| Quote: | The corollary to this is that the effort required to circumvent
copyrights
(even for 100% legitimate fair uses) is also approaching infinity. :-(
Nope, not true... if you can play it in the analog domain it can
easily be re-digitized without the copy protection.
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My DVDR will detect copy protection (MacroVision?) from my older
(6-7 years?) DVD player and refuse to copy a DVD. I know it's SMOP
with a PC but apparently they don't want to make it too easy for
those who already own a license.
| Quote: | they may as well give up now...
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Not going to happen.
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:28:02 -0800, Joel Kolstad wrote:
| Quote: | alonzo_heem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The effort required to enforce copyright is approaching infinity.
The corollary to this is that the effort required to circumvent copyrights
(even for 100% legitimate fair uses) is also approaching infinity. :-(
This is why we're rapidly heading towards seeing a lot of new legislation
that defines what is and isn't allowable for companies to do in their
(reasonable enough) quest ot protect their IP. Unfortunately, Sony went
way over the line of "acceptable protection" into what's clearly the
sleazball and possibly even illegal arena with their root kit... jerks.
The folks who decry the putative millions/billions/whatever dollars lost
per year due to software piracy are kinda in the same boat as
environmentlists: The Earth will outlast the human race anyway, it's just
a question of how crappy we leave the planet by the time it gets there.
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Actually, this is a boogeyman. Regardless how draconian the penalties, the
people who would download freebies wound't have bought the work anyway -
if we can't get it for nothing, we'll do without. :-)
Cheers!
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Joel Kolstad
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote in
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| Quote: | Actually, this is a boogeyman. Regardless how draconian the penalties, the
people who would download freebies wound't have bought the work anyway -
if we can't get it for nothing, we'll do without. :-)
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In general I agree, although I do think there's some single digit percentage
of people who WOULD pony up for software/videos/whatever if they couldn't get
them for free.
Not really the same thing, but sd you're probably aware that a surprisingly
large percentages of shoplifters actually have enough money on their person
such that they could have paid for their items if they'd chosen to! |
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Ben Bradley
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:37 am Post subject:
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On 6 Dec 2005 15:02:56 -0800, alonzo_heem@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Maybe Sony should have read this first:
The effort required to enforce copyright is approaching infinity.
Encryption, the Industry counters: we will be so clever that we'll
only distribute a product that can be unlocked and used by the
customer, by the miracle of the cipher, a secret code.
The Internet was built for maximum survivability in a nuclear war.
It's everywhere, and growing exponentially. How's the hell is
Entertainment business going to keep up with that? And copyright all
you want. The Internet doesn't care; if it can be digitized and
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As long as you are 'authorized'. This isn't the exact article I was
thinking of, though it's similar:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/04/0535231
but I recall reading that the MPAA and/or RIAA want to restrict use of
analog-to-digital converters in consumer equipment. It seems like an
article from The Onion, but it was real.
Here's something on it, this story is older than I thought:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/002665.php
| Quote: | loaded onto a networked computer, it will be everywhere, soon. The
cyborg guarantees it. Go ahead - sick your lawyers on a few dozen
downloaders. It's just a finger in the dyke; a thousand new holes
will appear every day. Squared.
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quoted from http://www.thomasscoville.com/Tinseltown_Burning.pdf
"Why downloading isn't wrong, copyright is dead and Hollywood is in
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Pooh Bear
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:58 am Post subject:
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Ben Bradley wrote:
| Quote: | but I recall reading that the MPAA and/or RIAA want to restrict use of
analog-to-digital converters in consumer equipment.
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They are *so* clueless it's precious.
I suppose they want to 'knobble' computer soundcards next ?
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Zak
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:05 am Post subject:
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Pooh Bear wrote:
| Quote: | I suppose they want to 'knobble' computer soundcards next ?
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Probably. At least define a path in the D to A direction where the card
itself does descrambling, leaving software with no way to touch the
decoded bits. The other way around is probably also on the agenda.
"People must get used to pay for content, the era of free content is
over" is something I hear more and more from content collectors/sellers
(should we call them pirates?)
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Ralph Wade Phillips
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:12 am Post subject:
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Howdy!
"Zak" <jute@zak.invalid> wrote in message
news:439c764a$0$14523$6c4159fb@news.tweaknews.nl...
| Quote: | Pooh Bear wrote:
I suppose they want to 'knobble' computer soundcards next ?
Probably. At least define a path in the D to A direction where the card
itself does descrambling, leaving software with no way to touch the
decoded bits. The other way around is probably also on the agenda.
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Ahem. Sound Blaster Audigy.
RwP |
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