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Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:
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I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
What I have is a automotive CB antenna mounted on my metal rain gutter
on my house. It's not for CB, but is for my police scanner.
Considering it's not really tuned for scanner, I am amazed how well it
picks up distant signals. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna. There is a large nut down there and it is exposed. It's
located less than an inch from the rain gutter when mounted, so it
dont take much snow to screw things up.
What I need is a means to insulate it. I could use silicone caulk,
and I know that would work well, but I want something that can be
removed so I can get that nut off if I need to. I know because it is
so close to the mounting bracket I could not get a decent wrap of
electrical tape, and also know that tape tends to hold moisture once a
little water gets in. But there is that black goop. It sticks real
well, and is waterproof, and yet removes easily. Does anyone know
where to get that stuff, or know of anything else I can use?
Thanks
PS. I am terrible at math. What wavelength is a CB antenna on a
scanner? What I mean, is referring to half wave, quarter wave, etc...
Anyone ???
Mark
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Harvey
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Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:
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<maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | But there is that black goop. It sticks real
well, and is waterproof, and yet removes easily. Does anyone know
where to get that stuff, or know of anything else I can use?
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Do you mean Self Amalgamating Tape?
http://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr1691.html
That's the stuff I always use on plugs/sockets if they are exposed to the
weather. Its looks a bit like electrical PVC tape, but it doesn't have the
glue; instead you stretch it and it sticks to itself, eventually forming a
fairly solid 'blob' of waterproofing. Easy to get off with a knife. |
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Allodoxaphobia
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Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:00:26 -0600, maradcliff@UNLISTED.com wrote:
| Quote: | I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
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Visit a decent hardware store (probably not a Big Box place) and ask
the Olde Timer back in the electrical dept. for some "Elephant Shit".
It's a grey, 1/2 brick-sized piece of putty-like stuff.
Just what you want.
Maybe tape over it after you apply it -- just to prevent its migration
over time.
HTH
Jonesy
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:
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Right, sometimes called self fusing tape in America. I've used a
silicone type that's suitable for buried video cable. That one's red.
Richard |
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Jamie
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:53 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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maradcliff@UNLISTED.com wrote:
| Quote: | I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
What I have is a automotive CB antenna mounted on my metal rain gutter
on my house. It's not for CB, but is for my police scanner.
Considering it's not really tuned for scanner, I am amazed how well it
picks up distant signals. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna. There is a large nut down there and it is exposed. It's
located less than an inch from the rain gutter when mounted, so it
dont take much snow to screw things up.
What I need is a means to insulate it. I could use silicone caulk,
and I know that would work well, but I want something that can be
removed so I can get that nut off if I need to. I know because it is
so close to the mounting bracket I could not get a decent wrap of
electrical tape, and also know that tape tends to hold moisture once a
little water gets in. But there is that black goop. It sticks real
well, and is waterproof, and yet removes easily. Does anyone know
where to get that stuff, or know of anything else I can use?
Thanks
PS. I am terrible at math. What wavelength is a CB antenna on a
scanner? What I mean, is referring to half wave, quarter wave, etc...
Anyone ???
Mark
get your self a can of liquid tape. |
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Allodoxaphobia
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:54 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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On 14 Feb 2005 16:47:40 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:00:26 -0600, maradcliff@UNLISTED.com wrote:
I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
Visit a decent hardware store (probably not a Big Box place) and ask
the Olde Timer back in the electrical dept. for some "Elephant Shit".
It's a grey, 1/2 brick-sized piece of putty-like stuff.
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Just got back from the HW store (on some other errand.) Whilst there
I checked: None of the "kids" ever heard of "Elephant Shit", but the
Olde Timer did. And, it's probably not found in the electrical dept.
It is as you thought 'duct seal', and it comes in 1 lb bricks.
One brick ought to last you a lifetime -- even if you're an
Amateur Radio Operator with a decent antenna farm.
Jonesy
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Charles Schuler
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:41 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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<maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
What I have is a automotive CB antenna mounted on my metal rain gutter
on my house. It's not for CB, but is for my police scanner.
Considering it's not really tuned for scanner, I am amazed how well it
picks up distant signals. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna.
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You might be reaching the wrong conclusion. The problem could be snow
static which is an accumulation of static charge or the discharge of charged
particles. |
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Anthony Fremont
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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<maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
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"COAX Seal" is what your looking for. It's black and sticky (sorta like
tar) and sold in a roll. It's great stuff.
| Quote: | What I have is a automotive CB antenna mounted on my metal rain gutter
on my house. It's not for CB, but is for my police scanner.
Considering it's not really tuned for scanner, I am amazed how well it
picks up distant signals. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna. There is a large nut down there and it is exposed. It's
located less than an inch from the rain gutter when mounted, so it
dont take much snow to screw things up.
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If rain doesn't affect it, I'm surprised that snow does. AFAIK, snow is
non-conductive until it melts.
| Quote: | What I need is a means to insulate it. I could use silicone caulk,
and I know that would work well, but I want something that can be
removed so I can get that nut off if I need to. I know because it is
so close to the mounting bracket I could not get a decent wrap of
electrical tape, and also know that tape tends to hold moisture once a
little water gets in. But there is that black goop. It sticks real
well, and is waterproof, and yet removes easily. Does anyone know
where to get that stuff, or know of anything else I can use?
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Radio Shack carries it and you can get it from Amateur supply houses.
If nothing else, I'm sure you could find it here:
http://www.coaxseal.com
| Quote: | PS. I am terrible at math. What wavelength is a CB antenna on a
scanner? What I mean, is referring to half wave, quarter wave, etc...
Anyone ???
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That would depend upon the frequency your trying to receive and the type
of CB antenna. If your CB antenna is just a 1/4 wave (on CB) ground
plane, then it will likely be anywhere from ~1/4 wave at 30Mhz to many
wavelengths long on a trunk system. |
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Harvey
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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That stuff seem to be the same as the self amalgamating tape I posted about
earlier - I'm guessing its about the same sort of suff, just under a
different name. |
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Allodoxaphobia
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:06 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:13 -0500, Charles Schuler wrote:
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maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
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.............. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna.
You might be reaching the wrong conclusion. The problem could be snow
static which is an accumulation of static charge or the discharge of charged
particles.
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Yep. My ham shack is down in the basement, and on these dark, cold
winter evenings, I can usually tell when it's snowing -- from the
pop-snap-pop-pop-snap-snap.... I hear from either the 6 meter or the
2 meter rigs (or both.) I can also tell how _hard_ it's snowing -
by the repetition rate.
Less frequently, I'll observe the same effect with light rain.
I have _never_ had 'piled-up' snow cause any such problems.
Since you are _only_ using the antenna for receive, you could try
running an RF choke from the base of the antenna to ground (to the
outer braid of the feedline.) That could lessen the annoyance.
Jonesy
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Anthony Fremont
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:
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"Harvey" <harvey@not.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | That stuff seem to be the same as the self amalgamating tape I
posted
about
earlier - I'm guessing its about the same sort of suff, just under
a
different name.
I think it's different. The coax seal is kinda thick >1/8". The
tape
your talking about is much like electrical tape that permanently
bonds
to itself after some time, isn't it?
The stuff I have is about 1/8" thick too, separated with a thin
plastic film
to stop it sticking together.
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That sounds about the same, but the seperator is like wax paper.
| Quote: | The roll I have is about 15 years old (and still as good as new). I've
had
no need to buy any since so although I assume the stuff on the market
these
days is the same as I have, but I don't honestly know.
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The coax seal seems to have a long shelf life as well.
| Quote: | This stuff I have actually 'melts' into itself over time, forming a
solid
blob after a few years that sticks to the coax but doesn't actually
stick to
the metal parts, and can be cut and pealed away if needed.
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This is where it sounds a bit different. The coax seal bonds instantly
to itself. You just wrap it around and then massage it a bit like putty
and it's just one solid piece after that.
| Quote: | I have also seen a sort-of duct tape / gaffer tape used before - that
was
like the normal duct tape but without the shiny backing - so it stuck
to
everything as a horrible gooey mess - not recommended - as it's a
almost
imposable to remove without getting it stuck to your fingers, hands,
clothes, hair, carpet, dog, cat..... |
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Harvey
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"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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"Harvey" <harvey@not.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
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http://www.coaxseal.com
That stuff seem to be the same as the self amalgamating tape I posted
about
earlier - I'm guessing its about the same sort of suff, just under a
different name.
I think it's different. The coax seal is kinda thick >1/8". The tape
your talking about is much like electrical tape that permanently bonds
to itself after some time, isn't it?
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The stuff I have is about 1/8" thick too, separated with a thin plastic film
to stop it sticking together.
The roll I have is about 15 years old (and still as good as new). I've had
no need to buy any since so although I assume the stuff on the market these
days is the same as I have, but I don't honestly know.
This stuff I have actually 'melts' into itself over time, forming a solid
blob after a few years that sticks to the coax but doesn't actually stick to
the metal parts, and can be cut and pealed away if needed.
I have also seen a sort-of duct tape / gaffer tape used before - that was
like the normal duct tape but without the shiny backing - so it stuck to
everything as a horrible gooey mess - not recommended - as it's a almost
imposable to remove without getting it stuck to your fingers, hands,
clothes, hair, carpet, dog, cat..... |
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Anthony Fremont
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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"Harvey" <harvey@not.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Anthony Fremont" <spam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
news:ens0111l736ndevjh4blfo5rvvoq0bdk2f@4ax.com...
[..]
http://www.coaxseal.com
That stuff seem to be the same as the self amalgamating tape I posted
about
earlier - I'm guessing its about the same sort of suff, just under a
different name.
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I think it's different. The coax seal is kinda thick >1/8". The tape
your talking about is much like electrical tape that permanently bonds
to itself after some time, isn't it? |
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TimPerry
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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in addition to (or sometimes in conjunction with) the above mentioned
techniques, 3m scotchkote is available at better electrical supply sources.
it is usually applied after taping up a connection. just paint it on. |
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Need goop to coat antenna connector |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:04 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
<spam@anywhere.com> wrote:
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maradcliff@UNLISTED.com> wrote in message
news:ens0111l736ndevjh4blfo5rvvoq0bdk2f@4ax.com...
I dont know how to explain this stuff, but there is some sort of black
or gray putty like goop that I have seen that is used to seal things.
I know they use it on furnace ducts and the like.
"COAX Seal" is what your looking for. It's black and sticky (sorta like
tar) and sold in a roll. It's great stuff.
What I have is a automotive CB antenna mounted on my metal rain gutter
on my house. It's not for CB, but is for my police scanner.
Considering it's not really tuned for scanner, I am amazed how well it
picks up distant signals. However, I have a problem. The antenna
works fine in dry weather, and even in rain. However, it gets screwy
from snow. I am fully aware of why. It's because the snow piles up
at the base and touches the connector where the coax hooks to the
antenna. There is a large nut down there and it is exposed. It's
located less than an inch from the rain gutter when mounted, so it
dont take much snow to screw things up.
If rain doesn't affect it, I'm surprised that snow does. AFAIK, snow is
non-conductive until it melts.
What I need is a means to insulate it. I could use silicone caulk,
and I know that would work well, but I want something that can be
removed so I can get that nut off if I need to. I know because it is
so close to the mounting bracket I could not get a decent wrap of
electrical tape, and also know that tape tends to hold moisture once a
little water gets in. But there is that black goop. It sticks real
well, and is waterproof, and yet removes easily. Does anyone know
where to get that stuff, or know of anything else I can use?
Radio Shack carries it and you can get it from Amateur supply houses.
If nothing else, I'm sure you could find it here:
http://www.coaxseal.com
PS. I am terrible at math. What wavelength is a CB antenna on a
scanner? What I mean, is referring to half wave, quarter wave, etc...
Anyone ???
That would depend upon the frequency your trying to receive and the type
of CB antenna. If your CB antenna is just a 1/4 wave (on CB) ground
plane, then it will likely be anywhere from ~1/4 wave at 30Mhz to many
wavelengths long on a trunk system.
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Thanks to everyone for the help. That coaxseal.com website referred
me to Radio Shack which has the coax seal in smaller amounts for about
$3. That solves that problem.
Next time I get to the hardware store I got to ask for elephant shit,
just for the heck of it. :)
Charles said "snow static which is an accumulation of static charge or
the discharge of charged particles.". Can someone explain what causes
the static? I never heard of that.
Mark |
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