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Jim Flanagan
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:10 am Post subject:
Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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Hi...
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if it
is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving. I tried
some internet searching, but was never able to get a definate answer.
It seems that vendors sell some which are meant for receiving and some
for transmitting. However, I remember, sometime in the past reading
where you COULD use a transducer as both receiver and transmitter.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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John Fields
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:57 am Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:10:39 GMT, Jim Flanagan <jflan@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Hi...
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if it
is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving. I tried
some internet searching, but was never able to get a definate answer.
It seems that vendors sell some which are meant for receiving and some
for transmitting. However, I remember, sometime in the past reading
where you COULD use a transducer as both receiver and transmitter.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Since they're reciprocal devices they can be used as either
transmitters or receivers, but the design objectives for transmitters
are different than they are for receivers, so transmitters don't
usually make very good receivers, and vice versa.
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John Fields |
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Winfield Hill
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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James Meyer wrote...
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Jim Flanagan wrote:
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if
it is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving.
99 times out of 100, you use the same transducer for both transmitting
and receiving.
Jim (the other one) Meyer
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What're some examples of not being able to use 'em for transmitting?
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Thanks,
- Win
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Mac
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:10:39 +0000, Jim Flanagan wrote:
| Quote: | Hi...
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if it
is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving. I tried
some internet searching, but was never able to get a definate answer.
It seems that vendors sell some which are meant for receiving and some
for transmitting. However, I remember, sometime in the past reading
where you COULD use a transducer as both receiver and transmitter.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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You have very little to lose by buying them and trying them out. Hook one
up to a signal generator at 24 KHz (5 V peak-to-peak) and hook the other
one up to an oscilloscope. Hold them at a separation of 2 or 3 feet,
and set the oscilloscope up to show both the transmit and receive
waveform. Measure the gain (Vtx/Vrx). Then swap them and see if you see
any difference.
These guys are usually very narrow-band, so make sure you are at 24 KHz,
and not 23 or 25.
Have fun.
--Mac |
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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The xdcrs are piezo crystals - they don't know if they are transmitting
or receiving. If you apply a voltage the crystal will deflect,
producing a physical deformation. If the crystal is deflected by an
external force it will produce a voltage output.
If have designed circuits where these xdcrs were used as both - and it
worked well. Virtually all depth finders use a single xdcr, and they
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James Meyer
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:10:39 GMT, Jim Flanagan <jflan@tampabay.rr.com> wroth:
| Quote: | Hi...
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if it
is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving.
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99 times out of 100, you use the same transducer for both transmitting
and receiving.
Jim (the other one) Meyer |
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James Meyer
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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On 14 Feb 2005 18:09:35 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wroth:
| Quote: | James Meyer wrote...
Jim Flanagan wrote:
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if
it is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving.
99 times out of 100, you use the same transducer for both transmitting
and receiving.
Jim (the other one) Meyer
What're some examples of not being able to use 'em for transmitting?
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There are ultrasonic microphones (receiving) that are either too small
or too delicate to get any reasonable output from when used as a transmitter.
Not all transducers are piezo disks.
Jim |
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Brian
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Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Ultrasonic Transducer Usage Question |
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"Jim Flanagan" <jflan@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PdaQd.32147$pc5.23223@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
| Quote: | Hi...
I've come across some surplus 24KHz transducers and wanted to know if it
is possible to use them for either transmitting AND receiving. I tried
some internet searching, but was never able to get a definate answer. It
seems that vendors sell some which are meant for receiving and some for
transmitting. However, I remember, sometime in the past reading where you
COULD use a transducer as both receiver and transmitter.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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Some can be both. But many varieties have one of each and using them for the
opposite part works for poo. I have played with many. All the cheapy T/R
pair type are best used n pairs. |
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