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Michael A. Terrell writes:
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Not easy enough that I can arrest them for begging without feeling a
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Mxsmanic
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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Michael A. Terrell writes:
| Quote: | So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?
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You're assimilating beggars with people who refuse to be helped. They
are not one and the same.
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Michael A. Terrell
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JAD wrote:
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OH ok judge jury and executioner mike a terrel......... live with them, THEN
talk about what you have learned. How they got there, who put them there,
and why can't the richest nation in the world take some interest in
them.........until then STFU.............
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So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?
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Gary H
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
| Quote: | So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?
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That's the way it is chief. There are loads of people out there
who can fix all the world's problems from their armchairs but
when it comes down to the crunch, haven't got a practical
thought to bless themselves with.
Tons of armchair environmentalists out there as well, most of
whom have never planted a tree in their friggin' lives much less
saved one. They got the answers though. just ask 'em. |
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David Maynard
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)
Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software
world and to call them 'experts' is absurd.
And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice
works. Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.
I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert
witnesses' on both sides of any case with directly opposing
'opinions' and in something as technically complex as an O.S.
there is no way for someone clueless about software to even grasp
the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is the better,
assuming there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to
'opinions' on what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's
components and how it 'should' be structured.
I'm not surprised you have so much trouble with judgment,
considering how you struggle with using ordinary words in
ordinary contexts. That paragraph is a good illustration. You
even question the meaning of words in your own usage.
Judges don't have that problem.
No, what they have a problem with is being clueless about
software.
You would have to be silly (as usual) to imagine that judges have to
know everything about every subject they judge.
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I didn't say a thing about needing to "know everything." Or can't you grasp
the vast gulf between clueless and omniscience?
| Quote: | But in fact some of
them are very insightful about the software business.
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LOL
Well, if there are they're doing bang up job of hiding it.
| Quote: | An operating system should not have applications as it's
components if you want to promote competition among software
developers.
What I want to 'promote' is a good product,
The way we do that in a civilized market based economy is to foster
competition.
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Courts and Judges dictating product content isn't a free market.
| Quote: | not some anti-business crusade.
You sound like a Libertarian zealot.
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Only to anti-business fanatics.
| Quote: | And if
you pretend to not know the difference between an operating
system and an application, you are just a liar. There is a gray
area but it's not that difficult to generally separate an
operating system from applications.
Which demonstrates you're almost as clueless as the judges are.
Maybe more so (in your head). Having been a big fan of the big
antitrust trial, for years I paid close attention and was impressed
by the judges' ability to understand and weigh the facts.
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I'm sure you were, when things came out the way you wanted. And you then
hated it when things didn't. That's not a 'guess' on my part, it's taken
straight from your assessment.
| Quote: | They don't
have to know how to write programs, their main concern is the
software publishing business.
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Since a significant part of the decision process was evaluating what
should, or should not, be a part of the O.S., among other things, your
claim is pure nonsense.
| Quote: | I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government
does is wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).
Wrong, as usual.
Silly, as usual.
Yes, you were, but I decided to keep it simple with just plain
wrong.
So you're not willing to admit that you are a Libertarian who thinks
that everything government does is wrong (unless it agrees with your
opinion).
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I'm never going to respond to any of your contrived nonsense.
| Quote: | But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding
in Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to
physically inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart
like a playing card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending
libertarian fantasy land.
Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there
You are a Microsoft defender troll wearing very big blinders.
No, I'm a defender of facts and rational thought.
When are you going to defend the fact that Microsoft Windows is a
monopoly?
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John Doe
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
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David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)
Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software
world and to call them 'experts' is absurd.
And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.
I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert
witnesses' on both sides of any case with directly opposing
'opinions' and in something as technically complex as an O.S.
there is no way for someone clueless about software to even grasp
the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is the better, assuming
there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to 'opinions' on
what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's components and
how it 'should' be structured.
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I'm not surprised you have so much trouble with judgment,
considering how you struggle with using ordinary words in ordinary
contexts. That paragraph is a good illustration. You even question
the meaning of words in your own usage.
Judges don't have that problem.
An operating system should not have applications as it's components
if you want to promote competition among software developers. And if
you pretend to not know the difference between an operating system
and an application, you are just a liar. There is a gray area but
it's not that difficult to generally separate an operating system
from applications.
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I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does
is wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).
Wrong, as usual.
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Silly, as usual.
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But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding
in Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a
playing card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending
libertarian fantasy land.
Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there
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You are a Microsoft defender troll wearing very big blinders.
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with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them.
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Our justice system is getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year
from Microsoft.
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John Doe
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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe writes:
Without question, someone giving away 6% of personal wealth that
they could not spend in 10 lifetimes is meaningless.
How much money does he have to give away before it meets your
personal definition of meaningful?
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More.
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Spending 6% of your time helping other people is
meaningful. Whether giving 6% of your income is charitable just
depends.
On whether you are hated as much as Bill Gates or not, apparently.
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Do you really have a difficult time understanding that?
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David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
David Maynard wrote:
class bigot
name caller
Typical snip job from the ultimate 'name caller' troll.
That's all the context a reader needs to understand my reply.
People who regularly read your posts don't need a quote at all to
figure out your intent because it's always some out of context
false innuendo or pure invention for the same purpose, but it's
worth noting for the initiates.
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That's just weird.
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You sometimes follow 200 lines of quoted text with a single line
reply. Combine that with how trivial most of your replies are,
it's like you are trying to waste bandwidth.
If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.
Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand
with one hand, count money on the other, and
walk and eat pie at the same time
http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/
befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same
time...
while eating pie
No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid
prejudice, eh?
Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.
Since I have refused to discuss the matter with you you haven't a
clue what I may or may not think or 'accept' and you inventing
lies isn't going to change that fact either.
It's easy enough to figure out.
Not very clever to argue how easy it is when you haven't gotten a
thing right yet.
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So you are a Microsoft defender who believes Microsoft Windows is a
monopoly. You believe Microsoft has the power but you believe the
government should allow Microsoft to use that power anyway it wants
to. Are you a Libertarian? |
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David Maynard
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
David Maynard wrote:
class bigot
name caller
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Typical snip job from the ultimate 'name caller' troll.
| Quote: | If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.
Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand with
one hand, count money on the other, and
walk and eat pie at the same time
http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/
befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...
while eating pie
No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice,
eh?
Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.
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Since I have refused to discuss the matter with you you haven't a clue what
I may or may not think or 'accept' and you inventing lies isn't going to
change that fact either. |
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David Maynard
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)
Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software world
and to call them 'experts' is absurd.
And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.
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I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert witnesses' on
both sides of any case with directly opposing 'opinions' and in something
as technically complex as an O.S. there is no way for someone clueless
about software to even grasp the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is
the better, assuming there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to
'opinions' on what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's components
and how it 'should' be structured.
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I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does is
wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).
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Wrong, as usual.
| Quote: | But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding in
Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a playing
card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending libertarian fantasy
land.
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Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them. |
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John Doe
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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Gary H writes:
I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate
arguments??
Are you asking or asserting?
Some people have naturally rich vocabularies. The fact that they
use them doesn't mean that they are showing off, although it might
seem that way to people with more limited vocabularies.
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It could mean that they are showing off, or maybe they don't
understand that writing is to communicate with other people.
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David Maynard
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
David Maynard wrote:
class bigot
name caller
Typical snip job from the ultimate 'name caller' troll.
That's all the context a reader needs to understand my reply.
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People who regularly read your posts don't need a quote at all to figure
out your intent because it's always some out of context false innuendo or
pure invention for the same purpose, but it's worth noting for the initiates.
| Quote: | You sometimes follow 200 lines of quoted text with a single line
reply. Combine that with how trivial most of your replies are, it's
like you are trying to waste bandwidth.
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And you can't even manage two sentences in a row without doing it.
| Quote: | If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.
Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand with
one hand, count money on the other, and
walk and eat pie at the same time
http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/
befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...
while eating pie
No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice,
eh?
Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.
Since I have refused to discuss the matter with you you haven't a
clue what I may or may not think or 'accept' and you inventing
lies isn't going to change that fact either.
It's easy enough to figure out.
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Not very clever to argue how easy it is when you haven't gotten a thing
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David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)
Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software
world and to call them 'experts' is absurd.
And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice
works. Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.
I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert
witnesses' on both sides of any case with directly opposing
'opinions' and in something as technically complex as an O.S.
there is no way for someone clueless about software to even grasp
the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is the better,
assuming there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to
'opinions' on what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's
components and how it 'should' be structured.
I'm not surprised you have so much trouble with judgment,
considering how you struggle with using ordinary words in
ordinary contexts. That paragraph is a good illustration. You
even question the meaning of words in your own usage.
Judges don't have that problem.
No, what they have a problem with is being clueless about
software.
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You would have to be silly (as usual) to imagine that judges have to
know everything about every subject they judge. But in fact some of
them are very insightful about the software business.
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An operating system should not have applications as it's
components if you want to promote competition among software
developers.
What I want to 'promote' is a good product,
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The way we do that in a civilized market based economy is to foster
competition.
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not some anti-business crusade.
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You sound like a Libertarian zealot.
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And if
you pretend to not know the difference between an operating
system and an application, you are just a liar. There is a gray
area but it's not that difficult to generally separate an
operating system from applications.
Which demonstrates you're almost as clueless as the judges are.
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Maybe more so (in your head). Having been a big fan of the big
antitrust trial, for years I paid close attention and was impressed
by the judges' ability to understand and weigh the facts. They don't
have to know how to write programs, their main concern is the
software publishing business.
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I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government
does is wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).
Wrong, as usual.
Silly, as usual.
Yes, you were, but I decided to keep it simple with just plain
wrong.
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So you're not willing to admit that you are a Libertarian who thinks
that everything government does is wrong (unless it agrees with your
opinion).
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But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding
in Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to
physically inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart
like a playing card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending
libertarian fantasy land.
Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there
You are a Microsoft defender troll wearing very big blinders.
No, I'm a defender of facts and rational thought.
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When are you going to defend the fact that Microsoft Windows is a
monopoly?
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with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them.
Our justice system is getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year
from Microsoft.
Then it's nice to see they're making a profit for a change.
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John Doe
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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe writes:
Without question, someone giving away 6% of personal wealth that
they could not spend in 10 lifetimes is meaningless.
How much money does he have to give away before it meets your
personal definition of meaningful?
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It might be meaningful to Bill Gates, but (hopefully) not because he
feels a loss. I'm really not sure what the amount would be for it to
cause Bill Gates to worry that he is going to run out of money. It's
just not meaningful like giving of your time is meaningful.
Bill Gates is an inspiration. Whenever I feel like I don't have
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David Maynard
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| Posted:
Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Re: The truth about OS/2!!! [Re: Why aren't computer clocks |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:
Gary H wrote:
Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)
Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software
world and to call them 'experts' is absurd.
And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.
I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert
witnesses' on both sides of any case with directly opposing
'opinions' and in something as technically complex as an O.S.
there is no way for someone clueless about software to even grasp
the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is the better, assuming
there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to 'opinions' on
what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's components and
how it 'should' be structured.
I'm not surprised you have so much trouble with judgment,
considering how you struggle with using ordinary words in ordinary
contexts. That paragraph is a good illustration. You even question
the meaning of words in your own usage.
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I'm not surprised you continue to invent nonsense as it seems to be your
specialty.
| Quote: | Judges don't have that problem.
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No, what they have a problem with is being clueless about software.
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An operating system should not have applications as it's components
if you want to promote competition among software developers.
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What I want to 'promote' is a good product, not some anti-business crusade.
| Quote: | And if
you pretend to not know the difference between an operating system
and an application, you are just a liar. There is a gray area but
it's not that difficult to generally separate an operating system
from applications.
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Which demonstrates you're almost as clueless as the judges are.
| Quote: | I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does
is wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).
Wrong, as usual.
Silly, as usual.
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Yes, you were, but I decided to keep it simple with just plain wrong.
| Quote: | But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding
in Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a
playing card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending
libertarian fantasy land.
Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there
You are a Microsoft defender troll wearing very big blinders.
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No, I'm a defender of facts and rational thought.
| Quote: | with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them.
Our justice system is getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year
from Microsoft.
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Then it's nice to see they're making a profit for a change. |
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